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Ha I see a statue as a bigger thing than jersey retirement and should only be for Lemieux.
Statues can be pretty stupid. The Steven Foster Memorial one comes to mind.
Ha I see a statue as a bigger thing than jersey retirement and should only be for Lemieux.
The minute after this game ended he earned a jersey retirement imo.
Holy God....could they skate SLOWER? I don't remember the game being so slow just twenty years ago. Wow.
Watching games from the 90s feels like someone put the wrong tape speed on the playback.
I don’t really buy that logic. I hate communism as much as the next sane-person but there are so many things you could protest in history that the league would run out of numbers if you applied that standard evenly.
I sometimes feel this opinion is exaggerated. These clips doesn't shock me regarding the skating pace.
The page linked below lists all the fastest skater winning times in the allstar game since 92. That's 27 entries. 8 out of 27 entries are from the 90's, and 5 of those 8 are in the top 10. The highest in 5th place only, but still the 90's entries are very much over representated in the top 10.
Now obviously phyisical capcity in a free skate lap is not automatically translated to a dead sure indicator of skating speed in actual games the same year. Of course. But it's an interesting fact still, in my opinion.
NHL All-Star Skills Competition - Wikipedia
I agree with keeping it exclusive. I just think Jagr makes the cut. Sure it seems like a lot of players after you add Jagr, Sid, and Geno, but that's what happens when you're lucky enough to get 4 generational talents on the same team.I've long said that one of this club's greatest traditions is not retiring a lot of numbers, just one tragic case and one insanely legendary one, both of whom spent their entire tenure with the club. But some people want to be just like every other Velveeta lame-ass hocket club.
Keep the retired number club exclusive.
I agree with keeping it exclusive. I just think Jagr makes the cut. Sure it seems like a lot of players after you add Jagr, Sid, and Geno, but that's what happens when you're lucky enough to get 4 generational talents on the same team.
There's outliers, sure. Bure was amazing, Jagr was a great skater before his groin exploded, Lemieux was deceptively fast, even in 1996.
I don't think skaters were all that much slower in the 90s, but there were lots of games where nobody could get up to speed through the neutral zone because of the trap and obstruction. That's the major difference.
The elite skaters aren’t that much better, but the bottom six and defenders are so incredibly far ahead of where they were on average.
There's outliers, sure. Bure was amazing, Jagr was a great skater before his groin exploded, Lemieux was deceptively fast, even in 1996.
I don't think skaters were all that much slower in the 90s, but there were lots of games where nobody could get up to speed through the neutral zone because of the trap and obstruction. That's the major difference.
I feel ya, Shady. I really get your argument and I'm sympathetic to it, to a degree. But I think, honestly, that's part of the price worth paying if the Pens keep high standards regarding numbers. I like us being the hated elitist snobs of the NHL because, well, let's face it-- we're spoiled and rightly so. Most other clubs (especially non-Original 6s) would have retired several dozen of our alumni already.
Jagr is going to be controversial no matter whether or not you retire him. And similarly, I really don't think anyone is going to wear 68 in this club ever again, at least not in my lifetime.
Jagr is the second best player to ever play for the Pens. He should have his number retired, no questions asked.