Chance on Chance
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The guy is playing well. Tons of players play well into their mid 30s. I expect Abby will be one of those players.
and tons dont, your only thinking of the outliers.
The guy is playing well. Tons of players play well into their mid 30s. I expect Abby will be one of those players.
My guess is Holland plans to retire in 4 years so he decided the extra cap hit on the end is someone else's problem.
Clarkson's shot was much better, which is pretty important considering both guys are getting paid to score.
Gator in no way has better offensive instincts compared to a guy who has had better offensive seasons without the benefit of Datsyuk.
I hope I'm proven wrong but I really don't like this signing. Players like Abdelkader are not that difficult to find.
I did not list that and it is an edge to Clarkson, Abby is also better at actually screening the goalie without getting a piece of the puck but it resulting in a goal. I mean they are different players, that is what I am driving at. Compare away, my whole point is I don't see the comparison to begin with, you just added another difference. Abdelkader is paid to do more than just put the puck in the net, he is paid for his versatility in all three zones, not just his personal goal totals.
Patrick Elias isn't exactly a bad player..... Yes he isn't Datsyuk, but lets not pretend Clarkson's offensive explosion didn't have a really good NHL player on that line either. Gator is better at every category other than fighting and shot. He is a better player than David Clarkson and at a cheaper price to boot.
The contract could go bad, I doubt it is for similar reasons to Clarkson who again I don't see as a like comparison.
I'd rather have Anisimov at 4.5 million x 5 years over Justin Abdelkader for 4.25 x 7 years.
Those contracts were signed about five months apart.
Its so frustrating and disheartening to see how quickly the Hawks have retooled while we slowly tread water. Panirin is too good. Wish we had that luck sometimes... at least on D
It's the 'luck' of being a contender. Panarin had plenty of teams to choose from, of course he goes to the team that is winning the most cups and playing the most offensive-style game as well as having plenty of room to insert him on a top line with Patrick Kane.Its so frustrating and disheartening to see how quickly the Hawks have retooled while we slowly tread water. Panirin is too good. Wish we had that luck sometimes... at least on D
Its so frustrating and disheartening to see how quickly the Hawks have retooled while we slowly tread water. Panirin is too good. Wish we had that luck sometimes... at least on D
if we had a dcore, chances are were at the top with Montreal right now lol. Too Bad Quincey is out right now, would have a pretty good top 4. Terrible bottom pair tho
Its so frustrating and disheartening to see how quickly the Hawks have retooled while we slowly tread water. Panirin is too good. Wish we had that luck sometimes... at least on D
Believe me, they are hard to find. Next summer free agency has two names, Milan Lucic and Troy Brouwer. That's it.
And nothing is a guarantee they will like to sign with us. Most probably they will be exgended by their current teams like Akader. And if you want to sign them for sure, you overpay for them at offering competition.
So that leads to cap problems.
Re-signing Abdelkader was a good move without salary competition, and it's also a move towards continuity. New guy is always a question mark like on that Clarkson-case. Change of scenery and huge pressure at new organization killed him.
Abdelkader has just to do what he has done in last seasons and he's worth of the deal. No extra pressure on anything that lowers the risk for busting.
34 (soon to be 35) Joel Ward signed a 3 year $3,275,000 cap hit deal. That should put Abdelkader's contract in perspective about these type of players. Ward will be nearing 38 when his contract expires.
While Shark fans are happy with the UFA singing of Joel Ward, Wings fans condemn the Justin Abdelkader signing. :shakemyhead:
Its so frustrating and disheartening to see how quickly the Hawks have retooled while we slowly tread water. Panirin is too good. Wish we had that luck sometimes... at least on D
34 (soon to be 35) Joel Ward signed a 3 year $3,275,000 cap hit deal. That should put Abdelkader's contract in perspective about these type of players. Ward will be nearing 38 when his contract expires.
Joel Ward was leading their team in points until about 3 games ago. Plus he is on pace for >30 goals and nearly 60 points. Justin is on pace for ~20 goals and under 40 pts (and has cooled off considerably since his hot start. In his last 17 games he has 1 goal and 3 assists. 4 points in 17 games, a staggering 19 pt pace)
Plus Joel Ward is over a million cheaper and 4 LESS YEARS. Solid comparison though
Then why are you saying this.I don't like using "on pace for", especially when deals were signed before the season started (in Wards case). Had Ward known he was gong to score lots of points with SJS to start his year, he would have asked for more... and SJS would have gladly paid more.
So we can't use that. It's a hindsight thing.
While Shark fans are happy with the UFA singing of Joel Ward, Wings fans condemn the Justin Abdelkader signing. :shakemyhead:
You're forgetting that nobody cares how much he gets paid, his cap hit, which actually matters, is 1M more for being considerably less productive. Using the word considerably is generous, they are worlds apart right now in production.I think we also need to put other things into perspective.
These 3 years on Wards contract is more expensive than Abdelkader's last 3 years. $3.27 million cap hit for Joel Ward, and $3.16 million for Abdelkader... and Adbelkader will be 1 year young, and inflation will likely go up considerably by 2020.
So to put things into perspective, Abdelkader will be 1 year younger, will be paid less, and inflation will offset by (I can throw out a number by $1 million).
Abdelkader is getting paid 4.5 and 5 million his prime years in the base salary. Then by the time he gets Joel Wards age (34) it tapers off to 3.5 to 3.0 million, averaging 3.16 million base salary. Joel ward is getting 3.27 at the same age... before inflation offset.
Using Joel Wards contract, I think you can clearly see Ken Holland took everything into perspective from age, health, prime years, to inflation.
At the end of the day, I think Joel Ward is the perfect comparison. Difference being Shark fans are happy, Wing fans are pissed.
Then why are you saying this.
Talking about how fans feel about the deal and the player, it is pretty important to take into account how the player is doing. That is why they feel that way about them and why so many people are down about Abby right now.
Either way, I can see why you don't like using on pace when Abby has 4 pts in 17 games. Paces out to 19 points.
You're forgetting that nobody cares how much he gets paid, his cap hit, which actually matters, is 1M more for being considerably less productive. Using the word considerably is generous, they are worlds apart right now in production.
But of course the real issue is the risk in signing Ward to 3 years @ 3.25m is relatively low. If he quits being productive, which is currently not the case, he only sinks them for 3 years and at a pretty manageable cap hit.
Abby is signed for 7 more years at a higher cap hit. The cap is worse and harder to trade/sink/manage and most importantly the risk is enormous because it is so long. If he quits being productive over the next 7 years (he has quit being productive already this year, year -1 of his 7 year deal) then it is very hard to deal with.
34 (soon to be 35) Joel Ward signed a 3 year $3,275,000 cap hit deal. That should put Abdelkader's contract in perspective about these type of players. Ward will be nearing 38 when his contract expires.
While Shark fans are happy with the UFA singing of Joel Ward, Wings fans condemn the Justin Abdelkader signing. :shakemyhead:
Because when that thread was created, Ward was 5 months away from turning 35 and just came off a 34 point season.
Ward's best points total season (49) came when he was 33 years old. When Ward started his NHL career when he was 28, he scored 35 points. When Abedlkader was 27 he scored 44 points. If Abdelkader scores his "projected on-pace for" of 40 (your number) this season, he will be outscoring Joel Ward (34pts) by 6pts at the same age of his NHL career.
Abdelkaders contract is structured (base salary) when he hits his prime and gets 5 million from 31 to 33. Ward didn't even hit his prime til about 32.
In summary, at comparing both players at the same age, Abdelkader is putting up better numbers.
Wow, talk about goalpost moving. 5 months away from 35? So... 34, then? Meaning the 49 point season came the year prior, not two years like you tried to make it seem.
Abdelkader's cap hit is fine, people are right when they say he brings more to the table than just points (though he needs to put up more than he has so far). It's the term that is just absolutely ridiculous. Abdelkader is in no way the type of player that can demand a term like that. You know what's better than 7 years? 4 years. Then if he's still good, sign him for another 3. But if he's not good long term, and you've signed him for 7 years, you're stuck with him for 7 years. Terrible contract.