It's a strawman argument because it would only help the team if Stevie manages to fleece Lou. I'd bet money that Lou asked for one of Seider or Edvinsson on top of Bert. If there was any value added for the team, the trade would have already been done. Think about it.
The way you responded made it sound like we're getting Barzal for free and that's why I responded the way I did. Trade away enough assets and a Barzal trade can actually set the team back. How many times have we seen pro sports teams overpay for a star player and then suck ass because they couldn't come up with the supporting pieces? You sound like one of these guys who think a star player can be acquired by trading quantity over quality. Tell me, what do you think Barzal would cost?
Malkin won't get this team a Cup, he just makes the team watchable. That's all I was getting at, this team isn't going to win a Cup any time soon regardless, even with Barzal or any other trade because the trade would cost too much.
What you don't seem to understand about a straw man argument concept, is you, yourself don't get to keep throwing them back at people to validate your own point...
I know my arguments straw-man dude cause its' based of a hypothetical trade situation!
1.) If you don't know the trade then you can't tell me it cost to much or even too little, it's all assumption on you with no basis.
2.) The acquisition is hypothetical, but, based on your response it's bad either way so it doesn't matter what the deal looks like cause you've convinced yourself it's not worth it or it's not fair, so I don't even need to tell you and I know you disagree with me already based off the bolded.
3.) I'm just talking hockey and wishing for Barzal. I'm not demeaning like yourself telling people to (think about it), (like I haven't already). I mean why would they trade Barzal now?(Islanders) Draft night or next TDL will net way more in-terms of value. TBH with you... I doubt a conversation happened at all between Red Wings/Islanders.
4.) There is a trade I wrote in another thread, was huge, which is what I think Zetterberg is eluding to about being ignorant. Anyways, It's kinda what I've been referencing the whole time during our conversation. IDK how you were suppose to know that though, my mistake.
Bertuzzi/Zadina/Hronek/Berggren/Wallinder/1strdp/2ndrdp/2ndrpd2023. ( 3 roster players, 2 prospects, 3 picks. ) Wrote it knowing it's an over-pay but doesn't financially cripple/restrict anything or mortgage future drafts. Kept a core of ( Larkin/Barzal/Raymond/Vrana/Seider/Edvinsson ) to work with. 15-20 million in cap-space still to "patch" holes in UFA or whatever. Idk. Doing a Barzal trade doesn't even stop them from doing what you suggested (Sign Malkin and a LHD). You just have Barzal, less prospects and no Bertuzzi.
