Windsor Spitfires 2019-20 Season Thread (Part 2)

[RayzorIsDull]

No you don't get it. Yes it would be an impulse move. Because while the team has done well so far, you still can't be entirely sure what you have because they are still a fairly young team who is just learning to win. Trading assets for a player who is going to be here for one year would be an impulsive move because you are still expecting next year to be the year you are serious contenders. Now, if things keep going the way they are going a couple months down the road, then maybe you look for an upgrade.

Also where are you getting it that Jodoin can't be called up? He gets 10 games on a B card

No my point was they may want to keep him down there for as long as possible in order not to utilize an A card on him.

See I can tell we already differ. A guy like Gareffa would have been an upgrade on every OA the Spits have. Going out later on shopping arguably costs more assets and you would get a guy for much fewer games. The Spits are right in the middle of the average age for OHL teams just like they were last year. Just because your best players are your youngest players doesn't mean it's a fairly young team. You have all OA spots accounted for, you have your 19/18 year olds accounting for 9 other roster spots that's pretty much what you expect for average age.

 

[SpitsOHL89]

No my point was they may want to keep him down there for as long as possible in order not to utilize an A card on him.

See I can tell we already differ. A guy like Gareffa would have been an upgrade on every OA the Spits have. Going out later on shopping arguably costs more assets and you would get a guy for much fewer games. The Spits are right in the middle of the average age for OHL teams just like they were last year. Just because your best players are your youngest players doesn't mean it's a fairly young team. You have all OA spots accounted for, you have your 19/18 year olds accounting for 9 other roster spots that's pretty much what you expect for average age.

 

[SpitsOHL89]

When your young players are your key players it means you are a young team. You have Foudy, Cuylle, and Robinson as three of your top players, plus very inexperienced in goal. Cuylle and Foudy back next and an entire D back besides Stevenson. As of right now, next year is the year you seriously contend. Until a larger sample size this year proves you are legitimate contenders, you do not give up assets (draft picks) that are going to help you next year. Otherwise you and the others on here will be quick to jump on here and say "where did all our draft picks go? now we are screwed for the future."

 

[Cherrydon]

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[RayzorIsDull]

Trying to contend in a year when the OHL is hosting the Memorial Cup and you're not the host?? Seems like an absolutely horrible idea. In fact I remember the last time the Spits did that it and this is where we are.

 

[member 71782]

SpitsOHL89

Not saying you are right/wrong or anything else. What I said was pure speculation as should have clear.

The one thing that seems strange is being the same owners for both teams there should have been a bit less confusion of what Windsor's intentions were. They have a 16 year old D they may or nay not have had any intentions on playing but a month into the season it seems pretty obvious the intent appears to have been to send him down all along. No issue with that but being under the same ownership you would think there would be some pretty good communication and cooperation between the two clubs with the first 16 year old card held in reserve for Jodoin still leaving him available to be called up as needed.

If they had different intentions, similar to what I suggested or originally planned on rotating him in and out and simply changed their minds then yes, having to acquire another card and it delaying him going to LaSalle makes some sense.

If they simply didn't prioritize a card for Jodoin than that's on both LaSalle and Windsor for not getting things right in the first place. Regardless of what happened with their other D Windsor has to ensure if these kids aren't going to make the team out of camp then their affiliate has to be willing to accommodate that, especially when they're all part of the same group.

Jodoin being signed to a B card with no where to play should not be acceptable when this ownership controls both teams.

It's a mistake, learn from it and be better prepared in the future.

 

[SpitsOHL89]

SpitsOGL89

Not saying you are right/wrong or anything else. What I said was pure speculation as should have clear.

The one thing that seems strange is being the same owners for both teams there should have been a bit less confusion of what Windsor's intentions were. They have a 16 year old D they may or nay not have had any intentions on playing but a month into the season it seems pretty obvious the intent appears to have been to send him down all along. No issue with that but being under the same ownership you would think there would be some pretty good communication and cooperation between the two clubs with the first 16 year old card held in reserve for Jodoin still leaving him available to be called up as needed.

If they had different intentions, similar to what I suggested or originally planned on rotating him in and out and simply changed their minds then yes, having to acquire another card and it delaying him going to LaSalle makes some sense.

If they simply didn't prioritize a card for Jodoin than that's on both LaSalle and Windsor for not getting things right in the first place. Regardless of what happened with their other D Windsor has to ensure if these kids aren't going to make the team out of camp then their affiliate has to be willing to accomadate that, especially when they're all part of the same group.

Jodoin being signed to a B card with no where to play should not be acceptable when this ownership controls both teams.

It's a mistake, learn from it and be better prepared in the future.

You are missing the fact that Jodoin could not go to LaSalle until yesterday when the third 16-year-old card was acquired. Windsor did not want Jodoin not playing hockey, that was not in their plan.

It is more on LaSalle for not planning for departures. But it is something completely unpredictable. Jr. B is not like the OHL, players don't just up and leave/stop playing hockey in the OHL.

Affiliation is still just affiliation. The teams will still do what they think is best for their team overall. LaSalle thought they had plenty of defensemen going into the year and thus didn't need Jodoin. As it turned out they should have taken Jodoin right away, but that is hindsight.

As for ownership involvement, these owners do not getting involved in hockey operations outside of say a major potential move (like a Ryan Merkley situation)

 

[member 71782]

It is more on LaSalle for not planning for departures. But it is something you don't realize until it happens. Jr. B is not like the OHL, players don't just up and leave/stop playing hockey in the OHL.

Affiliation is still just affiliation. The teams will still do what they think is best for their team overall. LaSalle thought they had plenty of defensemen and thus didn't need Jodoin.

I understand LaSalle has to have a certain amount of autonomy but Windsor needs to have a place for a kid to play once they're signed which with Jodoin, he was the first one signed after the draft. Both teams had to be prepared for where he was going to end up. Give him his shot in camp, agree with that but when he was signed Windsor had six D, added Rafkin as an import to give them seven. They should have been expecting him in LaSalle long before Staois was dealt and even after with six full time D who were going to play every game everyone should have known where the kid was going to end up.

It happens but I don't remember it taking this long in the past to find a kid a spot/card for that spot. It's almost November, they seemed a little unprepared, regardless of LaSalle's vets on this one.

 

[SpitsOHL89]

I understand LaSalle has to have a certain amount of autonomy but Windsor needs to have a place for a kid to play once they're signed which with Jodoin, he was the first one signed after the draft. Both teams had to be prepared for where he was going to end up. Give him his shot in camp, agree with that but when he was signed Windsor had six D, added Rafkin as an import to give them seven. They should have been expecting him in LaSalle long before Staois was dealt and even after with six full time D who were going to play every game everyone should have known where the kid was going to end up.

It happens but I don't remember it taking this long in the past to find a kid a spot/card for that spot. It's almost November, they seemed a little unprepared, regardless of LaSalle's vets on this one.

He couldn't go to LaSalle? You can't just go out and get a third 16-year-old card at any time, all the teams have to turn theirs in first

 

[member 71782]

He couldn't go to LaSalle? You can't just go out and get a third 16-year-old card at any time, all the teams have to turn theirs in first

When Jodoin was a couple of weeks after the draft was LaSalle not prepared to have a card available for him or why was Windsor not prepared to have somewhere else lined up for him to play?

He's a 16 year old, 3rd round pick drafted by a team that had six full time D ready to go. The chances of him making Windsor out of camp was slim so the expectations for both teams should have been he would end up in LaSalle. The first 16 year old card should have had his name on it before LaSalle signed any other 16 year old kids and if not LaSalle then Windsor should have had arrangements made for him to be signed elsewhere.

The simple and obvious point, he was signed by Windsor with very little chance of making the team in opening night. Did Windsor not inform LaSalle of this or did LaSalle simply decide it doesn't matter what Windsor wants, we're going to sign a couple of other 16 year olds regardless of what Windsor's expectations should be in them as their affiliated club?

It makes no sense as the owner of both clubs to leave the main club hanging. It doesn't matter how involved in day to day ops they are, plain and simple, they need to prioritize what's best for their investment and both orgs need to understand that.

They have two 16 year old cards, both should be designated for Windsor draft picks. If they need a third card for another draft pick or they have no others they want to send there then LaSalle needs to try to acquire one. A top draft pick should never end up waiting for a spot and two teams that are affiliated as well as under the same ownership group should always be in sync with each other and what the plans are starting with the top club and going from there.

If the D in LaSalle is full, make room.

What were Windsor's plans if LaSalle managed to keep all their D? Were they simply going to keep Jodoin up all year to practice and play three or four shifts if there was an injury or suspension?

Someone wasn't prepared be it in LaSalle or in Windsor cause right now no card for Jodoin sounds like an excuse since if LaSalle returned all their D he still wouldn't have had a place to play.

 

[OHL4Life]

No you don't get it. Yes it would be an impulse move. Because while the team has done well so far, you still can't be entirely sure what you have because they are still a fairly young team who is just learning to win. Trading assets for a player who is going to be here for one year would be an impulsive move because you are still expecting next year to be the year you are serious contenders. Now, if things keep going the way they are going a couple months down the road, then maybe you look for an upgrade.

Also where are you getting it that Jodoin can't be called up? He gets 10 games on a B card

why is andrew sykes on a message board defending the spits? (look at history of posts) thats kind of a no no isnt it? why act like your not part of the team?

its like the parakh/singh thing from last year again lol

 

[aresknights]

Sounds like a similar situation Kooy was in a few years back. London kept him in camp longer than expected due to a goalie injutry. Teams filled their 16yr old cards and he was bumped down to AAA MajMidget as London couldnt find a spot for him. And he practiced with London all year pretty much FT getting into a handful of games due to onjury.

I get the JrB clubs filling 16 yr old cards. It happens And now the kid gets to play. I doubt he suffers much in development. And he can still practice with Windsor if they want as the B sched is much less time consuming than OHL.

 

[OHL 17]

I am impressed that Andrew would take time to help inform followers of the real circumstances!

 

[punch1943]

The team is in first place if they win their games in Saginaw and just beat London in London. Yet you think they should just up and get rid of Stevenson? You don't just make a move like that when things are going well. Heard just this morning talking about Masai Ujiri and why he has been a successful GM, and they said it is because he is patient and lets things play out, doesn't make impulsive moves

If an opportunity exists to improve your team at a reasonable rate you take it. While everything seems all ‘shitz and giggles’ to some, at this point very few would say it’s because of any of the O/A. While Ujiri has short term success many would factor in his access to $$$ as being one of the reasons. Bowler, it appears, has no such luck.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

If an opportunity exists to improve your team at a reasonable rate you take it. While everything seems all ‘****z and giggles’ to some, at this point very few would say it’s because of any of the O/A. While Ujiri has short term success many would factor in his access to $$$ as being one of the reasons. Bowler, it appears, has no such luck.

Right and even Ujiri said the trade he made after just 6 months on the job (Rudy Gay) changed the culture from that point on. Will Bowler be able to make such a trade come January????

 

[SpitsOHL89]

Right and even Ujiri said the trade he made after just 6 months on the job (Rudy Gay) changed the culture from that point on. Will Bowler be able to make such a trade come January????

Not saying mirrors of each other. Brought it up to show Ujiri knack for patience. You don't always jump the gun early.

 

[windsor7]

why is andrew sykes on a message board defending the spits? (look at history of posts) thats kind of a no no isnt it? why act like your not part of the team?

its like the parakh/singh thing from last year again lol

Good heads up.

 

[windsor7]

I am impressed that Andrew would take time to help inform followers of the real circumstances!

Im not.

 

[OHL4Life]

Im not.

they were being sarcastic

 

[2023]

A quick thought, theory or question on why it took so long for LaSalle to get another 16 year old card and why Windsor didn't send Jodoin down sooner/have LaSalle hold a card open for the first week or two.

Any chance, with Corcoran and Lalonde being similar type D (both 19, both right shot, both similar offensively) was Bowler having discussions with Flint at the same time and kept Jodoin up in case a deal was there?

Trades can take weeks/months to come to fruition, especially early in the season when you have a team likely going all in and another not quite sure what direction they are going. Any chance Bowler thought he might have had a deal coming together and once Lalonde went to Flint that forced his hand and put LaSalle in a position to have to get another card?

 

[2023]

They need to trade a forward not a d

 

[member 71782]

They need to trade a forward not a d

With Jodoin up they were carrying 7D and 13F. An extra body up front and an extra on D as they should be carrying. The concerns only come up if they aren't getting/keeping these guys playing instead of sitting for a month at a time. Nothing wrong with carrying depth to have available when needed just make sure they get a game or two out every five or six the team plays so they can actually develop against an opponent. If they do eventually move a forward they still need to replace them and having moved Jodoin down to LaSalle they should be looking to add another depth D to have available if needed.

 

[OHLTG]

First time I've had wifi in two days... and Jodoin sent down. Good, get him some ice time!

 

[HockeyCartier73]

D'Amico.....1 game I believe.

 

[windsor7]

D'Amico.....1 game I believe.

Very lucky.
Guess Windsor got a break for "once".....
Lol