Speculation: William Karlsson/VGK salary arbitration filings Player ask: $6.5M Team offer: $3.5

[Dicdonya]

2 years at 5.5-6 would make sense. Buys no UFA years, and is enough time for Karlsson to prove himself but not long enough to cost him a whole lot of money

Yeah, but just long enough to cost VGK a LOT more money, or lose a 70pt+ two way center as a UFA. Good plan.

 

[Mr Positive]

Seems a little reckless. They have a good GM. He won’t ruin his cap.

it's an arbitration ask though, so it's only for a year or two. Even if he has a huge fall to earth, it's not like it's so damaging.

Bear in mind that if he were putting up numbers like last year consistently over his whole career so far, he'd be getting more than Tavares just got. So even Karlsson's ask of 6.5 million is taking a lot of his career before Vegas into account.

I think this is a case where Vegas should give him a 1 or 2 year deal that ends in UFA, and give him a good amount of cash on it, certainly more than 3.5 million AAV. There is risk with him for sure.

 

[CupInSIX]

Offering less than 4.5m going into arbitration is the wise thing to do. There's no telling how an arbitrator will side considering his numbers the past 3 seasons.

Thanks for Tuch AND Haula.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Arbitrator should side with Karlsson on this one fully and the team should take it on a one year deal to keep him RFA then if he proves himself again they will pay him. If Karlsson shoots 11% next year which is roughly league average for forwards with the same amount of shots, it amounts to about 20 goals. That will still make him a 55 point player because his assist totals aren't unsustainable given his linemates' numbers. A 55 point Karlsson with his defensive play is worth his ask right now at 6.5 million. I'm pretty much expecting the arbitrator to side mostly with Karlsson but not entirely. Probably 5.5-6 mil and the team will take one year and if Karlsson starts out hot, they better pay him and pay him what he wants.

 

[BerlinBlueShirt]

Pay the kid. 3.5M is hilarious

 

[McNuge]

You have had some. Some didn’t even score as much as him and yet the last two GM’s on your team have given out $$$$ like candy. LOL.

Great contribution to your argument bud. You must win a lot of arguments.

 

[chizzler]

Great contribution to your argument bud. You must win a lot of arguments.

I’m not arguing. I just pointing out you need to be careful with this type of negotiation. Your acting like it’s no big deal to whip out money. If he has a normal season again, then what? One season isn’t a true gauge of where he will be most likely. Grow up.

 

[McNuge]

I’m not arguing. I just pointing out you need to be careful with this type of negotiation. Your acting like it’s no big deal to whip out money. If he has a normal season again, then what? One season isn’t a true gauge of where he will be most likely. Grow up.

How about you back up your opinion with some facts. Claiming other 1 hit wonders, yet how many of those were far and away the best players on their team? Columbus has never been a high offense team and his usage there is good indication as to why his totals weren't that high 2 and 3 years ago.

 

[tucker3434]

I get that Vegas wants to see him do it again before they hand out a huge payday, but you gotta pay your leading scorer, especially when you aren’t exactly in a cap crunch.

 

[chizzler]

How about you back up your opinion with some facts. Claiming other 1 hit wonders, yet how many of those were far and away the best players on their team? Columbus has never been a high offense team and his usage there is good indication as to why his totals weren't that high 2 and 3 years ago.

Why do i need facts? You’ve made up your mind. If Vegas thought like you, they wouldn’t be in arbitration.
You’ve heard of buyouts correct?

 

[SUBdrewgANS]

I think he gets a 2 year prove it deal around 6mil. If he keeps up the production, he gets a much bigger payday after that.

1 successful year isn't enough to justify paying him more than that.

 

[Henkka]

I wonder if Paul Stastny will drop him to 2nd PP.

That would drop also Karlsson's production.

 

[McNuge]

Why do i need facts? You’ve made up your mind. If Vegas thought like you, they wouldn’t be in arbitration.
You’ve heard of buyouts correct?

Well... facts really help out your argument. Which at this point seems to be he is a 1 hit wonder?

Lots of teams go to arbitration with very good young players to try and get the cost down. Happens every single year.

What do buyouts have to do with anything? It is going to be a 1 or 2 year deal through arbitration.

 

[Magnus the Duck]

I wonder if Paul Stastny will drop him to 2nd PP.

That would drop also Karlsson's production.

No, it will start as last year. If 1st line including Karlsson continues to play well and produce, they will stick with it. Otherwise later on it will be like the HBK line, magic for a year or so then things stopped clicking and people got moved around.

 

[mikeyp24]

As someone who watched Karlsson play multiple seasons before this one 4.5 1 or 2 years is reasonable... this 6.5 is crazy. Of course not long term yet test him a few years before he makes the money.


6.5 long term for 1 season of note is crazy .

 

[Aurinko]

Even 6M$ for 2 years would be cheap. 40+ goals, dominant +/- and generally a liked player.

 

[ALee10]

The guy scored on a quarter of the shots he took last year. It's hard to forecast a guy like this.

 

[Aurinko]

Offering less than 4.5m going into arbitration is the wise thing to do. There's no telling how an arbitrator will side considering his numbers the past 3 seasons.



Thanks for Tuch AND Haula.

Ye, that brutal 0,9M$+2,8M$ cap hit will kill the team

Especially after an expensive 4M$ deal with wild bill

 

[Zirakzigil]

He just had a career year that I doubt he ever comes close to matching again. 5mil long term is something I could see the Knights doing. He’s not worth more than that right now.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

3,5 is quite/more than a enough for a player who has only scored 61 career goals in 265 career games,can't forget that fact.

since when do we look at the old seasons of a player and not his current season or his playoffs amazing performance ?
god, you don't make any sense it's pathetic and I don't even know where to start.

Marchesseault got 5,5M for 65 goals on 201 NHL games (which was clearly deserved) ? was it a "mistake'' from your pov ?
Tom wilson ? 5.2M after 1 season.

why would he even take a discount for his early prospects season ? you also tend to forget that he is still young.


please enlighten me, lmao.


EDIT: ohhh you are a columbus fan that is why LOL.

 

[DRW204]

WK's heat map for those interested

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Why are people acting like paying a guy well after 1 EXTREMELY unbelievable season is so rare and bad idea? Have u guys not been watching the contracts being handed out the past few years? There are players getting paid massively pretty much on potential alone nowadays(without having had a huge season.. Or an impressive partial season only).. WK showed what he can do last season and was a huge reason his team was in the SC finals..

Like cmon, he is getting paid massively and he 100% deserves it

 

[Beville]

I think he is quite reasonable in his ask.

I don’t, give him a 2 year bridge/show me contract.

 

[Aurinko]

Why are people acting like paying a guy well after 1 EXTREMELY unbelievable season is so rare and bad idea? Have u guys not been watching the contracts being handed out the past few years? There are players getting paid massively pretty much on potential alone nowadays(without having had a huge season.. Or an impressive partial season only).. WK showed what he can do last season and was a huge reason his team was in the SC finals..

Like cmon, he is getting paid massively and he 100% deserves it

If you followed his defensive plays and not just looked at his scoring, you would know this is going to be a brutal steal for the VGK. Ye he had few nice looking goals, but those who remember the baseball like save late in the season and the speed he pedals back to defend... these are skills you can't remove from a player. And it's not just the 200feet game, this guy can keep on going for 3 mins no problem.

 

[Henkka]

The guy scored on a quarter of the shots he took last year. It's hard to forecast a guy like this.

Yeah... but he scored from the High-Danger area mostly.

Drop his shooting percentage to 16%-18% and he would score 30-33 goals.

That's still damn good.