Value of: Willam Nylander trade scenarios
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Marner is worth too much on the market to be able to offer sheet. A player in the 9.5 range is a better target because it's only 1 first round pick. For some perspective, would you accept Kotkaniemi, Poehling, Sergachev and Juulsen for Marner? I know the picks could turn out worse, but could also conceivably turn out better. Habs could end up building the leafs' system for the next 4 years. Too much risk, even if Marner is awesome. Also, the only way to win is by having good players on cheap ELCs, so the Habs would have no way to balance their high salaries.
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I don't think Leaf fans would be happy with what they could get for him. He's a soft perimeter player, so he'll probably never do much damage in the playoffs, and he's coming off a pretty awful regular season carrying ~$7M price tag. Plus, everyone knows the Leafs are up against it with the cap, and I can't imagine other GMs jumping to do them any favors. He obviously has value, but I doubt it's as much as Leaf fans would like to believe. The time to move him was last summer.
The Islanders have capspace and if on July 2nd they are empty handed I might look into something like Wahlstrom, Mayfield(cheap caphit RHD) and one of Dal Colle or Ho Sang. I would throw in the option of Zaitsev for Hickey if Leafs wanted the extra capspace
I am not the biggest fan of Nylander or his contract but Islanders do need talent upfront
I am not the biggest fan of Nylander or his contract but Islanders do need talent upfront
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I love them both but Johnsson and Kapanen are the odd men out before Nylander. If push comes to shove (although I don't think it will) I think it's Kapanen since we're much stronger on the right side than the left.
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Except we don't actually save $7m in cap space since Horton will be on LTIR. We save $1.7m in cap space while taking on a defenseman who will be making $7m until he's 41 and maybe, maybe, has 1 or 2 good years left. This is brutal.
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Dubas would much rather move Kadri and shift Nylander to 3rd line C. He's not going to move a 22 year old 60 point player.
Kadri for Pesce or something
Kadri for Pesce or something
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[QUOTE="IGGY2JOHNNY, post: 159783779, member: 302093" I think if the leafs want to resign all 3 of Marner , Johnsson , Kapanen then Nylander is the odd man out.
The leafs would no doubt try to get back defense in any deal to replace Gardiner and such.
Opinions ?? What else do the leafs do to get out of cap hell and resign Marner and company for next season ?[/QUOTE]
I think our cap problems are sometimes underestimated. I'm not seeing a way of signing Marner + Johnsson + Kapanen unless there are some serious cuts made elsewhere.
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We have 19 players under contract with only $7.2 m of cap space to work with (assumes $83 m cap). I'll add the LTIR Horton of $5.3 m to give us a total of $12.5 m to play with.
What is not included in the above are the RFAs and UFAs that we have.
UFAs - Gardiner & Hainsey are the significant UFAs. I'm assuming that Marincin, Hutchinson & Ennis will be let go.
RFAs - Marner, Johnsson, Ozhiganov, Kapanen
If we sign Marner at let's say $10 m, that gives us $2.5 m to sign a defender. Could be Hainsey if he's willing to take a $500k pay cut, or another UFA defender at $2.5 m/year.
All of the rest (players identified in blue font) would have to exit, and we would play with a 21 man roster versus the more customary 23 players.
The leafs would no doubt try to get back defense in any deal to replace Gardiner and such.
Opinions ?? What else do the leafs do to get out of cap hell and resign Marner and company for next season ?[/QUOTE]
I think our cap problems are sometimes underestimated. I'm not seeing a way of signing Marner + Johnsson + Kapanen unless there are some serious cuts made elsewhere.
Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
We have 19 players under contract with only $7.2 m of cap space to work with (assumes $83 m cap). I'll add the LTIR Horton of $5.3 m to give us a total of $12.5 m to play with.
What is not included in the above are the RFAs and UFAs that we have.
UFAs - Gardiner & Hainsey are the significant UFAs. I'm assuming that Marincin, Hutchinson & Ennis will be let go.
RFAs - Marner, Johnsson, Ozhiganov, Kapanen
If we sign Marner at let's say $10 m, that gives us $2.5 m to sign a defender. Could be Hainsey if he's willing to take a $500k pay cut, or another UFA defender at $2.5 m/year.
All of the rest (players identified in blue font) would have to exit, and we would play with a 21 man roster versus the more customary 23 players.
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Why so serious?
The compensation for AAV. for about 8.5m to 10.5m is two first, a second and a third.. And that on a five year contract, if signed for seven, the it go go to four firsts. So it almost encourages a team to go "all in" on a best RFAs.
The only reason a team would really make such an offer is if they assume, they wouldn't be a lottery team. My opinion 13m is too much for Marner, and the Leafs don't/can't match.
Folks sometime forget than once an offer sheet is accepted by a player, the team has 7 days to match. But also it gives both sides 7 days to work at a trade, which can be acceptable to both teams instead of the picks.
You're right about hight good players on cheap ELCs. Look at the Oilers, the best or second player in the league in McDavid and the very good Draistail, and they are cap strapped and likely won't make the playoff next year....again.
I think our cap problems are sometimes underestimated. I'm not seeing a way of signing Marner + Johnsson + Kapanen unless there are some serious cuts made elsewhere.
The Leafs can sign all their RFAs the summer. It's just they won't be able to retain everyone. If Marleau stays, I figure it's about 7m in cap space this has to move. And as you suggest, I think it's Nylander that goes. Leafs have wingers to take his place. Trades aren't easy when no money is returned....so the trade would be pick/prospects. IMO the return is going to very low.....maybe a second rounder would be the best offer. But that's part of the cost of having high priced "stars" and also signing Tavares for free.
PS. It is no really cap hell when you are able to trade players and be cap compliant. Cap hell is when you have give up big sweetener in a trade, having to buyout players or have lot of retained money on traded players.....that's cap hell.
No thanks.
No way.
Canes will keep Pesce unless a stupid overpayment is made, and neither of these would qualify as that.
I’d take that from Nashville’s side. I’ve been impressed with fabbro so far and if the team isn’t terribly sure of fabbros ability to step into the 2nd pairing duties we could pick up a ufa vet
I agree as of now, but if he goes on a goal scoring streak, leading the Leafs to a deep playoff run, then all that goes out the window. Playoffs magnify everything, both good and bad.
I don't see any way that he gets dealt right after signing a long term deal, especially with how he has played since signing.
Also, if I'm the Canucks, I'm not giving up the assets to acquire him and his salary. I'd way rather go after a UFA like William Karlsson, Nyquist, Brock Nelson, Anders Lee who have similar production, will be cheaper (probably), and won't cost an asset(s) to acquire.
Also, if I'm the Canucks, I'm not giving up the assets to acquire him and his salary. I'd way rather go after a UFA like William Karlsson, Nyquist, Brock Nelson, Anders Lee who have similar production, will be cheaper (probably), and won't cost an asset(s) to acquire.
If Nylander wanted an assurance that he wouldn't be traded he should have gotten a NTC. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
I proposed Jordan Greenway (916,000 cap hit, and with team control for another 3 years.) for Mylander, straight up. Sounds crazy, if you just look at boxscores, but maybe not so crazy the closer you look at it. Would solve some problems for the Leafs, both on the ice, and cap wise. His deal would take them through Marleau's, solving that problem, and he would also give them a physical presence and net front/board skills that would stand them in good stead during the playoffs. I'm sure that Marner and JT would be able to figure how to use him, and make use of the extra room his skills would provide.
Still have to solve the RHD problem, but maybe Liljegren will come through for them next year.
Wait really? I have no idea why I didn't know that. Nevermind then.
22 year old 30pt player this past season...
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Because we would not part with what you would want. And this UFA summer for forwards is gonna be absolutely bonkers.
Duchene, Panarin, Dzingel, Stone, Skinner, Eberle etc
Along with old Rangers players like Zuccarello, Hayes, Hagelin and Brassard that could possibly bring some dept alongside leadership.
Even as a fellow Swede, i dont think William is worth his contract, and i would not like if Rangers parted with any future picks or prospects.
If you grab Mark Staal, Brendan Smith and Belesky i would consider it.
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