Alberta Yote
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Also I’m curious. For those that want Chayka to be careful on dollars and term, if he signs elsewhere who do you want the team to pursue as the #1 for next year? Any ideas or names.
Florida definitely needs to start looking a new goalie option.
They are too inconsistent and Luongo has started to hit injury stage& he's 39y.
Goaltending and defense are their biggest weaknessess moving forward. Tallons the Gm so I doubt they'll do anything about it.
I think Raanta has earned a contract whether it be 3 or 4 years. If you want a proven starter, if you can find one, will cost you 6M yr. + and assets. I know you always bring up Darling and Talbot as kind of bombing out this year, but goalies have bad years like everyone else. Price, Luongo, Bishop, Alllen and the list goes on,all have had bad years followed by great years. It comes a time when good back ups deserve a starters role and I think Raanta is a good as any to get that chance.5 years in the NHL, 140 games, 28 games average per year, 29 years old. I hope we sign him but it's not a given that he can carry the load for a full year, let alone the next 4 years. Chayka needs to be smart about term/money/NMC.
I think about losing Raanta and having to roll the dice on another version again and it immediately erases most of the warm feelings I have about how this season has developed. I feel like he’s absolutely integral to any hope we have of carrying over success. His contract and OELs contract both.Also I’m curious. For those that want Chayka to be careful on dollars and term, if he signs elsewhere who do you want the team to pursue as the #1 for next year? Any ideas or names.
The one thing that Chayka knows and we don't are what goalies could be available in a trade. I think Raanta or Grubauer are the best options. Chayka wanted Raanta for a couple of years before the trade so we know he thinks highly of him.I think about losing Raanta and having to roll the dice on another version again and it immediately erases most of the warm feelings I have about how this season has developed. I feel like he’s absolutely integral to any hope we have of carrying over success. His contract and OELs contract both.
The one thing that Chayka knows and we don't are what goalies could be available in a trade. I think Raanta or Grubauer are the best options. Chayka wanted Raanta for a couple of years before the trade so we know he thinks highly of him.
LEts get real here, I want Raanta to return and he has played insanely well. But let's not pretend he's an iron man. He has been far from reliable this season health wise.
I agree. We shouldn't sign him to 5 mill at 5 years, too risky. It's not the end of the world if we don't sign him. We have Kuemper and we can pick up or trade for another goalie. We had Smith, who played well last year down the stretch and we replaced him and Loui. We also picked up Greiss and Duby a few years ago. I would like to sign Raanta but not over pay because we will find other options. Raanta could easily get hurt next year or not play as well under a full workload. We'll be fine either way. I'm more concerned about our C position and the hole we need to fill there.LEts get real here, I want Raanta to return and he has played insanely well. But let's not pretend he's an iron man. He has been far from reliable this season health wise.
It's not the end of the world if we don't sign him. We have Kuemper and we can pick up or trade for another goalie.
I'm afraid the organization is about two months late to the realization he is integral or they wouldn't have waited until after the deadline to start negotiations.I think about losing Raanta and having to roll the dice on another version again and it immediately erases most of the warm feelings I have about how this season has developed. I feel like he’s absolutely integral to any hope we have of carrying over success. His contract and OELs contract both.
If you think they didn't have a single discussion about a contract discussion until after the deadline, you're nuts. I think you're own interpretation of Chayka's words is rather extremely and likely not representative of the truth of the matter. I have no doubt in my mind that Chayka took a temp check and was comfortable enough to wait until both sides were ready to come to the table for real.I'm afraid the organization is about two months late to the realization he is integral or they wouldn't have waited until after the deadline to start negotiations.
ANY goalie can get hurt or have a off year so that is a risk all teams take. You say 5M is too much, but maybe the Coyotes think that is in line with other goalies of his calibre. Like I mentioned before, if we want a proven starter, it will cost us dearly in assets and a much larger contract.I agree. We shouldn't sign him to 5 mill at 5 years, too risky. It's not the end of the world if we don't sign him. We have Kuemper and we can pick up or trade for another goalie. We had Smith, who played well last year down the stretch and we replaced him and Loui. We also picked up Greiss and Duby a few years ago. I would like to sign Raanta but not over pay because we will find other options. Raanta could easily get hurt next year or not play as well under a full workload. We'll be fine either way. I'm more concerned about our C position and the hole we need to fill there.
As if the Coyotes and Raanta have never talked.I'm afraid the organization is about two months late to the realization he is integral or they wouldn't have waited until after the deadline to start negotiations.
Correct. Both parties have a good idea what each want and like you said, will come to the table when ready.If you think they didn't have a single discussion about a contract discussion until after the deadline, you're nuts. I think you're own interpretation of Chayka's words is rather extremely and likely not representative of the truth of the matter. I have no doubt in my mind that Chayka took a temp check and was comfortable enough to wait until both sides were ready to come to the table for real.
As if the Coyotes and Raanta have never talked.
Do you think there is zero chance we can find another competent goal tender? How does anyone know if Kuemper can't be a starter? I don't know what goal tenders are available, Chayka will know. In the last 10 years we have picked up Bryz/Smith/Greiss/Duby/Raanta/Kuemper, all at very little costs. We can find another one if Raanta doesn't sign with us. We shouldn't chase Raanta and give him too much term or money either. It's not like Raanta is a 1C or a 1D like OEL. Being in this position with OEL a year from now would be really stupid. You can't easily replace a 1C or 1D, its next to impossible. Goal tenders are way easier to find.You keep posting this, and I'm curious - just who out there who will be available to sign do you think is a good starter candidate to replace Raanta? And I'm not being facetious/confrontational - I want to know what you think our options are.
Kuemper is a backup. A good backup, yes, but a backup. We'd need a starter-caliber goalie signed - and if we can't sign one, a legit starter will cost us a lot in trade assets.
How many top UFA's at their position reach free agency and resign with their original team? Any of the ones that did (or even those that approached it closely) get some sort of sweetheart deal?
I don't know why I'm the #-hole for pointing out the obvious fact that his price keeps going up with every day closer to free agency, and that we never had a better chance for a favourable deal than predeadline. Does a single person think he gets less today than he would have in late February? All this talk about how integral he is just underscores how we're either going to get #'ed coming or going now. We're either going to open the vault to keep him, a la Smith, or start over on the goaltending (which we traded a 7ov in part justified as getting a long-term solution). That's so much better than taking a four million dollar "gamble" in February, I guess.
Being a musician, I read your self-censored words as "sharp hole" and "sharped."
How many top UFA's at their position reach free agency and resign with their original team? Any of the ones that did (or even those that approached it closely) get some sort of sweetheart deal?
I don't know why I'm the #-hole for pointing out the obvious fact that his price keeps going up with every day closer to free agency, and that we never had a better chance for a favourable deal than predeadline. Does a single person think he gets less today than he would have in late February? All this talk about how integral he is just underscores how we're either going to get #'ed coming or going now. We're either going to open the vault to keep him, a la Smith, or start over on the goaltending (which we traded a 7ov in part justified as getting a long-term solution). That's so much better than taking a four million dollar "gamble" in February, I guess.
Do you think there is zero chance we can find another competent goal tender?
In the last 10 years we have picked up Bryz/Smith/Greiss/Duby/Raanta/Kuemper, all at very little costs. We can find another one if Raanta doesn't sign with us.
Again, I like Raanta and I hope we sign him, but we shouldn't over pay, let somebody else do it.