Will Crosby ever win another Art Ross?

[Seanaconda]

The ones he missed out on from that concussion. And Benn's year And St.Louis winning in 2012-13 with 60 points in 48 games. Crosby 56 points in 36 games.

Like I said, he missed time..those guys didnt. So he doesnt get credit for something he didnt get. Im just talking about people using the " only 2 art rosses" as an argument to claim he isnt as good as people say he is.

So those two years . Definitely could of been in the running for 3/4 more but they aren't really sure things even if he didn't have the fake concussion messed up neck

 

[ChiefWiggum]

No because he has started to do what LeBron James has been doing in Cleveland for years: he goes through the motions in the regular season, the team finishes wherever it finishes as long as they make the playoffs, they look like this may be the year where they are finally vulnerable and then, BOOM, he flips the switch. I think last night proved that

 

[Turin]

At least 3-4 more ? Idk about that even if he kept up his pre neck injury pace that ruined him for a couple years he still had prime ovie and malkin at the same time

I guess if you give him malkins and then whatever year Benn won the Ross. Maybe he takes one of the sedins but they both won with a respectable over 100 point seasons. Maybe st Louis? Benns is pretty much the only year the Ross wasn't that impressive

In 2011 he would have won even if he dropped from a 1.6 Ppg pace to a 1. 2013 he missed the last two weeks and still only lost by a handful of points. The other years are more up in the air.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

So those two years . Definitely could of been in the running for 3/4 more but they aren't really sure things even if he didn't have the fake concussion messed up neck

At least 2 more...likely 3...possibly 4. No problem with that argument. Making a point that using the amount of ARTs won to sum up his entire career is a ridiculous argument.

Nice edit to the post about St. Louis after I mentioned him tho.

As for the year D. Sedin won with 104 points, Crosby didnt need to keep pace to pass that, having 66 points in 41 games. Keeping that pace would be 132 points, could have been under a ppg for the last 41 games and still finished with more than 104.

 

[Turin]

Players actually seem to like and have respect for McDavid. I guess he hasn't done anything yet to piss people off, except for Pens fans by being better than their fave.

They key to success in any compition is doing what makes you most liked, absolutely.

 

[Seanaconda]

At least 2 more...likely 3...possibly 4. No problem with that argument. Making a point that using the amount of ARTs won to sum up his entire career is a ridiculous argument.

Nice edit to the post about St. Louis after I mentioned him tho.

As for the year D. Sedin won with 104 points, Crosby didnt need to keep pace to pass that, having 66 points in 41 games. Keeping that pace would be 132 points, could have been under a ppg for the last 41 games and still finished with more than 104.

TBH I edited in st Louis before I read your post hahah seems slimey now but I was actually googling the winners at the time

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

TBH I edited in st Louis before I read your post hahah seems slimey now but I was actually googling the winners at the time

Ha..no worries. Ive been doing the same to get the exact numbers from each year.

 

[Seanaconda]

Ha..no worries. Ive been doing the same to get the exact numbers from each year.

Stupid lockout season made no sense that was the year price won the Hart right ? Subbans norris

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Stupid lockout season made no sense that was the year price won the Hart right ? Subbans norris

Price won in 2015. AO got the Hart in the shortened season

 

[Seanaconda]

Price won in 2015. AO got the Hart in the shortened season

OMG dubnyk got top five the year price won . I figured I was wrong about that what a weird year five goalies in the top 25

Some pens fan gives letang a vote every year which is hilarious. He's been a good dman but not Hart worthy

 

[edog37]

Imagine that, great players can play on bad teams.

Did you know Lemieux didn't even make the playoffs until his 5th season, and 16/21 teams made it back then, what a bum.

Did you know Lemieux made players around him better too during those years. Warren Young, Terry Ruskowski, Rob Brown. His teams also competed for playoff spots too. They didn’t regress. Let me know when McDavid gets there.

 

[edog37]

And yet you spend your days in every Crosby thread.

I dont mind the debates about who is or who will be better , but anyone that tries to downplay Crosbys career by saying hes only won 2 ARTs (ignoring why) cant be taken seriously. Nobody wants to admit it, but when people are taking a look at his career stats ...they know he should have had at least 3-4 more. So technically you are right , he has only won two. And he doesnt get credit for the years he was injured. But to even use that as an argument and say he wouldnt have kept up that pace and probably lost anyways? Hard to take seriously.

Just like Pens fans shouldnt use the playoff achievements or lack of for McDavid to downplay him. Not his fault his GM belongs on HFboards instead of being paid by an NHL team.

How about letting things play out and appreciating both of these guys? Pens fans didnt start out disliking the kid..I remember alot of comments from people being excited theres finally a player entering the league who could be on Crosby's level. But when you start seeing a bunch of comments downplaying Crosby's career to claim McDavid is already better...opinions will obviously change.

Agreed. I don’t dislike McDavid at all. He’s a fun player to watch. I dislike McDavid fanboys who put him on a pedestal he’s clearly not achieved. He’s just not on Crosby’s level just yet.

 

[Future GOAT]

They key to success in any compition is doing what makes you most liked, absolutely.

Or as a hockey player, not doing things that make other players want to concuss you.

 

[Turin]

Or as a hockey player, not doing things that make other players want to concuss you.

You don’t know how these things work do you? Quick question how many missed games due to concussions does Marchand have in his career? Matt Cooke had a pretty healthy career. Just take the L on this one.

 

[Future GOAT]

You don’t know how these things work do you? Quick question how many missed games due to concussions does Marchand have in his career? Matt Cooke had a pretty healthy career. Just take the L on this one.

Are you saying all Crosby's concussions were accidental fluke injuries?

 

[OVrocks]

No way, he’ll be out of the league within 3 years. Sid is washed up and way past his expiration date.

 

[daver]

Or as a hockey player, not doing things that make other players want to concuss you.

Feeling a bit threatened after Crosby's three even strength goals last night are we?

If only Crosby could have lead this last regular season in ES points like he has in the playoffs in his career, he could get more respect.

 

[Future GOAT]

No way, he’ll be out of the league within 3 years. Sid is washed up and way past his expiration date.

He's great over small sample sizes like playoffs and shortened seasons though. At this point in his career his claim to fame is the Conn Smythe, an award he can ride to with a great team supporting him and questionable votes. He's not Art Ross material anymore, too difficult for him, the individual competition is just too good.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Or as a hockey player, not doing things that make other players want to concuss you.

Like being one of the best players ever?

 

[TheStroker]

He's to busy winning Conn Smyths to care about Art Rosses

 

[Passchendaele]

Did you know Lemieux made players around him better too during those years. Warren Young, Terry Ruskowski, Rob Brown. His teams also competed for playoff spots too. They didn’t regress. Let me know when McDavid gets there.

You'd wonder who he was feeding his 137 assists over the last two years to if he wasn't making players around him better.

 

[Passchendaele]

He's to busy winning Conn Smyths to care about Art Rosses

Gretzky didn't mind doing both.

If you guys were born 30 years earlier (circa 1983), you'd probably be the same people who said Trottier > Gretzky because HURR DURR STANLEY CUPS > dominating the NHL!

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

If he continues his playoff play like last night, I don't care if he wins another individual award ever again haha

 

[Passchendaele]

The 'best player in the NHL' finished 10th in scoring over a full 82-game season. Sure.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

He's great over small sample sizes like playoffs and shortened seasons though. At this point in his career his claim to fame is the Conn Smythe, an award he can ride to with a great team supporting him and questionable votes. He's not Art Ross material anymore, too difficult for him, the individual competition is just too good.

You have to be a scrub to win B2B conn-smythes right?