Proposal: Wild/Islanders

[KrisBeKreame]

Really? What's Leddy's pick equivalent of value, because I don't think it's a 1st and the Islanders were ready to send one our way earlier (reportedly).

However when the Islanders were sending the first and maybe Bellows it was for Parise, Koivu and taking on Ladd.

 

[AKL]

However when the Islanders were sending the first and maybe Bellows it was for Parise, Koivu and taking on Ladd.

So take out Koivu, take out Bellows

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Parise is the much better player. Getting older and has a tough contract.

Ladd is basically finished but his contract is a lot more manageable.

the difference between Ladd and Parise is not Leddy. The isles are helping out The Wild by getting out of Parise contract as much as the wild are helping the isles get a better player.



I’m interested to see if this deal goes down. Both Parise and Ladd both agreed to waive for these respected teams and agreed to the trade.

actually Islanders arent helping wild out. wild dont need to trade a 25 goals scorer. wild dont have cap issues next year or in the short term. with dubnky becoming free agent next year, rask contract being boughout or traded after next year, with Greg Pateryn coming off, wild have no cap issues, like non.

 

[2Pair]

However when the Islanders were sending the first and maybe Bellows it was for Parise, Koivu and taking on Ladd.

I don't think Koivu was ever part of the deal to the Islanders. The Koivu deal was to Tampa

 

[KrisBeKreame]

I don't think Koivu was ever part of the deal to the Islanders. The Koivu deal was to Tampa

When the info started leaking out around the trade deadline it came out that Koivu refused to waive to go to the Islanders. That is why Lou turned to Pageau. Which in my opinion worked out much better

 

[2Pair]

When the info started leaking out around the trade deadline it came out that Koivu refused to waive to go to the Islanders.

Do you have a link to that? Because I doubt it.

 

[AKL]

Do you have a link to that? Because I doubt it.

I have this

Friedman also mentioned in his column that the Islanders had some interest in Wild captain Mikko Koivu, but as The Athletic’s Michael Russo reported on Saturday, the soon-to-be 37-year-old opted not to waive his no-move clause ahead of the trade deadline. In all likelihood, Koivu will finish his career with the Wild.

 

[KrisBeKreame]

I heard it on NHL Radio but here is a couple links

Here’s part of the reason why the Wild didn’t trade Zach Parise

Gone Wild Mailbag: Mikko Koivu Returning, Domi, and the Winter Classic?

 

[FrodoBeggins]

+Sorokin+ 1st round 2022

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Koivu announced he wasn't waiving his clause ~2 days before the TDL. Would be weird if that became an issue that day.

 

[2Pair]

I have this

Yep, Koivu told Guerin on saturday that he wasn't going to waive his NMC before the trade deadline that was on Monday. Parise and Ladd agreed to waive their NMC's on monday. Koivu was never part of the deal.

Decision made: Captain Mikko Koivu will play rest of season with Wild

The 36-year-old center informed Wild general manager Bill Guerin on Saturday afternoon that he has decided not to waive his no-move clause in advance of Monday’s trade deadline.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

+Sorokin+ 1st round 2022

Might want to delete that.

 

[SI90]

Yeah but that didn't bother Lou 7 months ago.

Im not saying it Does. I’m just pointing out. Balances things out 1vs1 a Bit more.

 

[SI90]

Really? What's Leddy's pick equivalent of value, because I don't think it's a 1st and the Islanders were ready to send one our way earlier (reportedly).

where was that reported? Russo? The only thing concrete was Ladd and Parise is was speculated that Bellows name was involved but that was when Koivu might have still be in the trade. After koivu rejected, Lou and Guerin tried reworking the deal but it fell through.

 

[Bazeek]

I heard it on NHL Radio but here is a couple links

Here’s part of the reason why the Wild didn’t trade Zach Parise

Gone Wild Mailbag: Mikko Koivu Returning, Domi, and the Winter Classic?

It's hard to disentangle what info has come from where, but around the time of the trade we had:

Friedman: the Islanders have/had some interest in Koivu
Russo: Koivu was approached about waiving his NMC and refused

That led many to conclude that New York was the team Koivu was asked to waive for, but I'm not sure if it was ever confirmed. Russo's latest story (I think in his most recent podcast) is that Koivu was probably being asked to waive for Tampa.

All of which is to say that I imagine both teams are at least still semi-open to pursuing this. If the Staal trade is any indication, Guerin's going to be pretty flexible about making it work.

 

[2Pair]

where was that reported? Russo? The only thing concrete was Ladd and Parise is was speculated that Bellows name was involved but that was when Koivu might have still be in the trade. After koivu rejected, Lou and Guerin tried reworking the deal but it fell through.

Your timeline isn't close

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

where was that reported? Russo? The only thing concrete was Ladd and Parise is was speculated that Bellows name was involved but that was when Koivu might have still be in the trade. After koivu rejected, Lou and Guerin tried reworking the deal but it fell through.

I can't remember but it sticks in my head from somewhere.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

However when the Islanders were sending the first and maybe Bellows it was for Parise, Koivu and taking on Ladd.

I don’t think it was ever reported that NYI was aquiring Koivu

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

where was that reported? Russo? The only thing concrete was Ladd and Parise is was speculated that Bellows name was involved but that was when Koivu might have still be in the trade. After koivu rejected, Lou and Guerin tried reworking the deal but it fell through.

russo reported the 1st was coming Minnesota's way but after Koivu refused to waive and Islanders acquired Pageau, the deal essentially felled apart because Guerin was going to get that 1st round pick.

 

[CREW99AW]

Parise for Leddy + Ladd

There's obviously mutual interest between Parise and Lou going back to the TDL. Is the ~$3.5M in cap savings (~$2.5M if Ladd is in the minors) enough to make it tolerable to NYI fans?

The isles had interest because they want to dump Ladd and his remaining 3 yrs,$5.5m caphit. A swap of two awful contracts.

Under the new CBA, a ntc or nmc carries over to the new team after a trade.

What team would want to waste a Seattle expansion slot on Parise and his nmc?

 

[CREW99AW]

I don’t think it was ever reported that NYI was aquiring Koivu

I read Koivu refused to waive his ntc for the nyi. Isles were trying to add top 6 scoring and a badly needed 3C.
Brassard was much more effective at wing and center Casey Cizikas was injured.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I read Koivu refused to waive his ntc for the nyi. Isles were trying to add top 6 scoring and a badly needed 3C.
Brassard was much more effective at wing and center Casey Cizikas was injured.

He refused to waive it for everybody.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The isles had interest because they want to dump Ladd and his remaining 3 yrs,$5.5m caphit. A swap of two awful contracts.

Under the new CBA, a ntc or nmc carries over to the new team after a trade.

What team would want to waste a Seattle expansion slot on Parise and his nmc?

He does put you guys in a bad spot forward-wise. I hadn't looked closely at that.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I think a team like Ottawa might have interest in Parise if he’d waive to go there. High AAV but low salary which is appealing to Melnyk who wants to get to the cap as cheap as possible. They’d be getting a 20+ goal player too. I’d do it for a conditional 3rd that becomes a 2nd if he scores 20 goals in his first season.

 

[CREW99AW]

Parise got 2 decent-good seasons left and his play style would work in NYI system, but his contract goes for an additional 3 seasons afterward...and Parise would need to approve such a deal seeing how he has a NMC.

NYI:

Parise w/ $1m retained by Minn.

Wild:

Beauvilier, Ladd, and retain $1m of Parise

NYI are immediately better and for next 2-3 seasons.

Wild get a Top 6 W they desperately need

No. Just no.
23 yr old Beau is the isles youngster, whose game has made the biggest strides this season under Trots. In the past he has had confidence issues.
Isles are not dumping Beau to wiggle out if Ladd's last 3 seasons.And take on Parise's crappy deal too?

Ugh