I like the sound of such a line.
However i feel like that leaves alot to be desired for line two.
Grabs-Nielsen-Okposo would be a pretty effective line, imo.
I like the sound of such a line.
However i feel like that leaves alot to be desired for line two.
You're right.... he was good before Vanek showed up, and was producing at a very good clip albeit for a short span of games. But no doubt it will be remembered in a few years that Okposo didn't finally breakout until they surrounded him with superstars (Tavares and Vanek). You and I know that is not true. His game took several years to develop due to his size (weight) and style of play (boards/corners). Players like him don't typically break out until their mid twenties. So he had things working agaisnt him coming up into the NHL as a 19 year old about to be 20. You grow up on the job with a lot of expectations and a big role on a crumby team earlier than you should. So the fan base watched the kid grow up and learn the game at the NHL which comes with a lot of bad games and loads of mistakes and growing pains. These seep into fans brains for all eternity, and are impossible to erase, even with good play.... for some there will always be an excuse... the player still stinks he's just putting up points now because ______. Or he puts up points bt that doesnt mean hes a good player. Nonsense like that. Now, if Okposo had been traded last year like many insisted... and he was putting up numbers like this somewhere else (calling Todd Bertuzzi) there would be HELL to pay and the blood would be on Snow's hands. They would be calling for Snows head (if they aren't already).
The same exact thing could be written for Josh Bailey. I joined this board a year ago, people were calling him 'Failey'. Haven't heard that in a while. I will admit that my patience at times wore thin with both Bailey and Okposo, and I said they each had to break out by the end of this season 2013-14 before anyone can right them off and give up on them..... well better late than never.
Okposo just needs to slow his game down a bit, more controlled. Very interested to see how he fits on that top line now with Vanek on it.
I can't name a season Tavares was consistently good in either, he has has had stretches of poor play every season. Does that mean I should give Tavares a nickname about being bad at hockey also?Well, let's review history for a moment:
- Name a year he was consistently good in.
Yep, you can't. And what is worse is when he goes into "Bad 'Poso" mode it's like watching someone play hockey after a lobotomy because he is way out of position and useless regularly, or worse he doesn't use his frame at all.
This year is his best start to a season ever, but you know, I give no credit for a consistent year played until it is played since he has yet to accomplish that feat. Either way he is not 1st line material and the sooner the clueless guy in the suit realizes it the better.
I can't name a season Tavares was consistently good in either, he has has had stretches of poor play every season. Does that mean I should give Tavares a nickname about being bad at hockey also?
Grabs-Nielsen-Okposo would be a pretty effective line, imo.
I did not compare the two in any way. I pointed out why your argument was flawed and the standard in it was silly, as you cannot say any player on the team has had a season without a bad stretch.So you just compared Okposo to Tavares? You really want to go there? I get what you mean about everyone having ups and downs, but his inconsistency isn't for typical stretches. It was't long ago he had a bad season - an entire season mostly anyway. Can you tell me when Tavares ever had one of those? Plus Kyle is a bit older. How about if we wait to see if he can finally put it together for most of this season before we annoint him as finally arriving?
But get him off the first line. They need a power forward. Even his biggest fans would point out that he is not one of those.
I like the sound of such a line.
However i feel like that leaves alot to be desired for line two.
He starts off slow, has stone hands, and he's known to be an out of shape smoker... but I like him! So there's that at least.
Enough with the out of shape. Okposo takes longer shifts than most on his team and he's one of the hardest workers. You wish you were in half as good a shape as he is.
Any difference between Okposo and Bergenheim?
I can't name a season Tavares was consistently good in either, he has has had stretches of poor play every season. Does that mean I should give Tavares a nickname about being bad at hockey also?
Sure you did, see above. You are saying Tavares is just as inconsistent as Okposo. You compared consistency.I did not compare the two in any way. I pointed out why your argument was flawed and the standard in it was silly, as you cannot say any player on the team has had a season without a bad stretch.
Because why? It certainly doesn't mean he is good, particularly since his biggest attrivute is going into traffic and playing physically. But let's look at numbers.And the only season one could argue Okposo was bad the whole season was the one he spent most of injured and returning from injury, which is a pretty disingenuous argument.
You said Okposo is bad because you can't think of a season where he's been consistently good the entire season. Since one cannot say Tavares has had a season without a bad stretch, it means that either your argument is invalid, or Tavares is also bad. My question for you is, which is it?Sure you did, see above. You are saying Tavares is just as inconsistent as Okposo. You compared consistency.
Tavares doesn't take off half a season, or more pretty much every year like Kyle. He has bad stretches like many good players. It is a consistency thing so go ahead and declare my argument invalid all you want. We've seen Kyle down and up, and the one thing he has been consistent at is being inconsistent.You said Okposo is bad because you can't think of a season where he's been consistently good the entire season. Since one cannot say Tavares has had a season without a bad stretch, it means that either your argument is invalid, or Tavares is also bad. My question for you is, which is it?
Your post was in reference to Kyle, in a Kyle Okposo thread, and you did compare Tavares as being just as inconsistent.Just because I think your argument illogical and a ridiculous standard, does not imply that I think Okposo is as good as Tavares, or even comparable as a player. My post did not even mention Okposo. That's something you just made up.
Fair on saying it wasn't most, though 2 goals and 9 pts total over 27 games which is more than half the season is pretty awful, but it was also accompanied by a continuation of the contact free play which dogged him since the big injury.Also, Okposo was one of our best forwards for the 2nd half of the '12-13 season. Yeah it was a shortened season, but if you're trying to say the entire season was terrible, then you're simply wrong.