Why is the NBA so predictable year after year?

[Virtanen18]

Crosby's slash happens so much, it's not even funny.

 

[Voight]

Yeah but Jordan had Stern and his gang of refs in his pocket, so same easy path

Lolololol and LBJ doesn't? He gets away sooo much flopping and traveling (among other things) it's not even really funny.

 

[Stylizer1]

Lolololol and LBJ doesn't? He gets away sooo much flopping and traveling (among other things) it's not even really funny.

Not to mention you can't even hand check a player.

Pippen could have guarded Lebron with ease.

 

[Make It Biznasty*]

Not to mention you can't even hand check a player.

Pippen could have guarded Lebron with ease.

 

[Stylizer1]

Let me explain. During the Jordan era hand checking was allowed which increased the physical play. They changed this rule in 2004 making it a foul if the defender used his hand or forearm to direct a player a certain way.

 

[Power Man]

Hand checking is not good defense, it's lazy defending

I would have liked to see Derek Harper's defense without it

 

[Stylizer1]

Hand checking is not good defense, it's lazy defending

I would have liked to see Derek Harper's defense without it

Regardless, it was a tougher game then.

 

[weastern bias]

In the hand check era it was also illegal to play zone defense, you had to stick to your man or explicitly double team, and Jordan was such an incredible physical specimen compared to the shooting guards he played against that he had an advantage on most of them one-on-one

I actually think both Jordan and James have benefited from the defensive rules of their respective eras, they both happened to come along at the right time

 

[Stylizer1]

In the hand check era it was also illegal to play zone defense, you had to stick to your man or explicitly double team, and Jordan was such an incredible physical specimen compared to the shooting guards he played against that he had an advantage on most of them one-on-one

I actually think both Jordan and James have benefited from the defensive rules of their respective eras, they both happened to come along at the right time

The Jordan rules were about double and triple teaming him. Very rarely does Lebron get double teamed.

 

[Power Man]

Regardless, it was a tougher game then.

Tbh, I prefer the way it was back then.
It was more fun to see offensive players find solutions to score despite the hand check, etc

 

[Power Man]

As for the Jordan rules it wasn't just about double triple teaming him.

Detroit forced MJ to go to his left into the middle of the paint where Detroit's bodyguards would be waiting for him

 

[Reality Check]

The NBA is indeed too soft these days. While I don't blame the league for not wanting the slog ball of Miami/NY of the 90's again. Nor the fights. But they have gone too far the other way. Which leads to guys like LeBron having carte blanche at the rim.

Bringing back a little physicality and defense to the league wouldn't be a bad thing.

 

[Morgoth Bauglir]

Regardless, it was a tougher game then.

The NBA was garbage ball in the '90s. It's why I stopped watching for 15 years. Once the NBA allowed the Pistons to play goon basketball, the NBA was ruined until they finally cracked down on it in the mid 2000s. You didn't have that sort of goonery for most of the '80s. It wasn't until '88 that they started putting the whistles away.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

The Jordan rules were about double and triple teaming him. Very rarely does Lebron get double teamed.

That's because it's stupid to double team an elite passer like James

 

[Stylizer1]

The NBA was garbage ball in the '90s. It's why I stopped watching for 15 years. Once the NBA allowed the Pistons to play goon basketball, the NBA was ruined until they finally cracked down on it in the mid 2000s. You didn't have that sort of goonery for most of the '80s. It wasn't until '88 that they started putting the whistles away.

And yet Jordan still won 6 titles during the goon era? What would you call this era? The one where Lebron has been to the finals more times than not. Who was Lebron's goon he had to defeat in order to win? Nobody, because he bailed because it was too tough the first time around in Ohio.

 

[Stylizer1]

That's because it's stupid to double team an elite passer like James

Or because you usually don't double team someone who regularly stays on the 3 point line. Lebron has no inside game

 

[Morgoth Bauglir]

And yet Jordan still won 6 titles during the goon era? What would you call this era? The one where Lebron has been to the finals more times than not. Who was Lebron's goon he had to defeat in order to win? Nobody, because he bailed because it was too tough the first time around in Ohio.

Congratulations! You managed to completely miss the point. Goonball was the playing style of the entire freaking league in the '90s. You're waxing nostalgic about "tough" basketball when that style of ball is unwatchable garbage that stood in stark contrast to the free-flowing game that prevailed through most of the '80s

 

[Stylizer1]

Congratulations! You managed to completely miss the point. Goonball was the playing style of the entire freaking league in the '90s. You're waxing nostalgic about "tough" basketball when that style of ball is unwatchable garbage that stood in stark contrast to the free-flowing game that prevailed through most of the '80s

You considered it garbage/goon ball and I merely showed despite that Jordan was still the best.

Unwatchable garbage? 90's basketball was more entertaining that what we are seeing now. Like you said you didn't watch it so you missed it.

 

[Morgoth Bauglir]

You considered it garbage/goon ball and I merely showed despite that Jordan was still the best.

Unwatchable garbage? 90's basketball was more entertaining that what we are seeing now. Like you said you didn't watch it so you missed it.

I don't give a rat's ass about Jordan. He doesn't in anyway shape or form have anything to do with my point. And I watched about five years of it: Enough to know it was garbage. That's why the NBA was hemorrhaging viewers to the point where the owners had had enough and cracked down on the goon ball. The game you see now is a direct result of the '90s and early 2000s turning off the fans and driving them away in droves.

 

[Stylizer1]

I don't give a rat's ass about Jordan. He doesn't in anyway shape or form have anything to do with my point. And I watched about five years of it: Enough to know it was garbage. That's why the NBA was hemorrhaging viewers to the point where the owners had had enough and cracked down on the goon ball. The game you see now is a direct result of the '90s and early 2000s turning off the fans and driving them away in droves.

You are stuck in the 80's. 90's basketball was the best it ever was. It became global because of it.

 

[Morgoth Bauglir]

You are stuck in the 80's. 90's basketball was the best it ever was. It became global because of it.

Hypocrite much? It's 2017 and you're stuck in the '90s. The NBA owners and the viewers disagree with you: That's why they cracked down on the goon ball and started to get the fans back as a result.

 

[Stylizer1]

Hypocrite much? It's 2017 and you're stuck in the '90s. The NBA owners and the viewers disagree with you: That's why they cracked down on the goon ball and started to get the fans back as a result.

No it didn't. You are just trying to justify why you hated basketball and grouping the rest of the world with your view.

 

[Morgoth Bauglir]

No it didn't. You are just trying to justify why you hated basketball and grouping the rest of the world with your view.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/04/13/nba-breaks-all-time-attendance-record-third-straight-season

 

[Stylizer1]

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/04/13/nba-breaks-all-time-attendance-record-third-straight-season

What are you trying to prove here?

I will use the Miami Heat as an example.

In the 80's and 90's they played in the Miami Arena with a seating capacity of 17,000. Their first full season in the New American airlines arena was in 2000 with a capacity of 19,600. More than half the league built new arena's by the late 90's and into the 2000's thus increasing capacity. The fact that the last 3 seasons had record attendance isn't that impossible to fathom. The NBA is not a gate driven league like the NHL so attendance is debatable. Do leagues grow, sure, but your argument is that people were staying away from the league because of goon ball.

Winning draw viewers regardless of goon ball or not and that is what attendance numbers show.

NBA LEAGUE TOTALS
Season GP DH Total Avg.
1946-47 331 0 1,040,068 3,142
1947-48 191 773,273 4,049
[missing one game for Chicago
1948-49 ------not available-----
1949-50 ------not available-----
1950-51 349 0 1,247,949 3,576
1951-52 ------not available-----
1952-53 352 1 1,126,698 3,210
1953-54 324 50 981,606 3,583
1954-55 288 19 900,016 3,345
1955-56 288 43 1,101,897 4,498
1956-57 288 43 1,199,217 4,895
1957-58 288 46 1,167,462 4,824
1958-59 288 42 1,249,028 5,077
1959-60 300 41 1,296,973 5,008
1960-61 316 51 1,455,866 5,494
1961-62 360 46 1,433,878 4,566
1962-63 360 32 1,657,737 5,054
1963-64 360 19 1,795,665 5,266
1964-65 360 24 1,804,759 5,371
1965-66 360 24 2,022,436 6,019
1966-67 405 20 2,552,930 6,631
1967-68 462 27 2,935,879 6,749
1968-69 574 -- 3,721,532 6,484
1969-70 574 -- 4,341,028 7,563
1970-71 697 -- 5,330,393 7,648
1971-72 697 -- 5,618,497 8,061
1972-73 697 -- 5,852,081 8,396
1973-74 697 -- 5,910,023 8,479
1974-75 738 -- 6,892,378 9,339
1975-76 738 -- 7,512,249 10,179
1976-77 902 -- 9,898,521 10,974
1977-78 902 -- 9,874,155 10,947
1978-79 902 -- 9,761,377 10,822
1979-80 902 -- 9,937,575 11,017
1980-81 943 -- 9,449,340 10,021
1981-82 943 -- 9,964,919 10,567
1982-83 943 -- 9,637,614 10,220
1983-84 943 -- 10,014,543 10,620
1984-85 943 -- 10,506,355 11,141
1985-86 943 -- 11,214,888 11,893
1986-87 943 -- 12,065,351 12,795
1987-88 943 -- 12,654,374 13,419
1988-89 1,025 -- 15,464,994 15,088
1989-90 1,107 -- 17,368,659 15,690
1990-91 1,107 -- 16,876,125 15,245
1991-92 1,107 -- 17,367,240 15,689
1992-93 1,107 -- 17,778,295 16,060
1993-94 1,107 -- 17,984,014 16,246
1994-95 1,107 -- 18,516,484 16,727
1995-96 1,189 -- 20,513,218 17,252
1996-97 1,189 -- 20,304,629 17,077
1997-98 1,189 -- 20,352,157 17,117
1998-99 725 -- 12,134,906 16,738
1999-00 1,189 -- 20,058,513 16,870
2000-01 1,189 -- 19,955,981 16,784
2001-02 1,189 -- 20,182,140 16,974
2002-03 1,189 -- 20,074,373 16,883
2003-04 1,189 -- 20,272,195 17,050
2004-05 1,230 -- 21,296,497 17,314
2005-06 1,230 -- 21,586,804 17,550
2006-07 1,230 -- 21,841,480 17,757
2007-08 1,230 -- 21,369,686 17,374
2008-09 1,230 –- 21,528,650 17,503
2009-10 1,230 –- 21,094,015 17,150
2010-11 1,230 –- 21,305,573 17,321
2011-12 990 -- 17,100,861 17,274
2012-13 1,229 –- 21,320,299 17,348
2013-14 1,230 –- 21,411,543 17,408

 

[Morgoth Bauglir]

What are you trying to prove here?

I will use the Miami Heat as an example.

In the 80's and 90's they played in the Miami Arena with a seating capacity of 17,000. Their first full season in the New American airlines arena was in 2000 with a capacity of 19,600. More than half the league built new arena's by the late 90's and into the 2000's thus increasing capacity. The fact that the last 3 seasons had record attendance isn't that impossible to fathom. The NBA is not a gate driven league like the NHL so attendance is debatable. Do leagues grow, sure, but your argument is that people were staying away from the league because of goon ball.

Winning draw viewers regardless of goon ball or not and that is what attendance numbers show.

NBA LEAGUE TOTALS
Season GP DH Total Avg.
1946-47 331 0 1,040,068 3,142
1947-48 191 773,273 4,049
[missing one game for Chicago
1948-49 ------not available-----
1949-50 ------not available-----
1950-51 349 0 1,247,949 3,576
1951-52 ------not available-----
1952-53 352 1 1,126,698 3,210
1953-54 324 50 981,606 3,583
1954-55 288 19 900,016 3,345
1955-56 288 43 1,101,897 4,498
1956-57 288 43 1,199,217 4,895
1957-58 288 46 1,167,462 4,824
1958-59 288 42 1,249,028 5,077
1959-60 300 41 1,296,973 5,008
1960-61 316 51 1,455,866 5,494
1961-62 360 46 1,433,878 4,566
1962-63 360 32 1,657,737 5,054
1963-64 360 19 1,795,665 5,266
1964-65 360 24 1,804,759 5,371
1965-66 360 24 2,022,436 6,019
1966-67 405 20 2,552,930 6,631
1967-68 462 27 2,935,879 6,749
1968-69 574 -- 3,721,532 6,484
1969-70 574 -- 4,341,028 7,563
1970-71 697 -- 5,330,393 7,648
1971-72 697 -- 5,618,497 8,061
1972-73 697 -- 5,852,081 8,396
1973-74 697 -- 5,910,023 8,479
1974-75 738 -- 6,892,378 9,339
1975-76 738 -- 7,512,249 10,179
1976-77 902 -- 9,898,521 10,974
1977-78 902 -- 9,874,155 10,947
1978-79 902 -- 9,761,377 10,822
1979-80 902 -- 9,937,575 11,017
1980-81 943 -- 9,449,340 10,021
1981-82 943 -- 9,964,919 10,567
1982-83 943 -- 9,637,614 10,220
1983-84 943 -- 10,014,543 10,620
1984-85 943 -- 10,506,355 11,141
1985-86 943 -- 11,214,888 11,893
1986-87 943 -- 12,065,351 12,795
1987-88 943 -- 12,654,374 13,419
1988-89 1,025 -- 15,464,994 15,088
1989-90 1,107 -- 17,368,659 15,690
1990-91 1,107 -- 16,876,125 15,245
1991-92 1,107 -- 17,367,240 15,689
1992-93 1,107 -- 17,778,295 16,060
1993-94 1,107 -- 17,984,014 16,246
1994-95 1,107 -- 18,516,484 16,727
1995-96 1,189 -- 20,513,218 17,252
1996-97 1,189 -- 20,304,629 17,077
1997-98 1,189 -- 20,352,157 17,117
1998-99 725 -- 12,134,906 16,738
1999-00 1,189 -- 20,058,513 16,870
2000-01 1,189 -- 19,955,981 16,784
2001-02 1,189 -- 20,182,140 16,974
2002-03 1,189 -- 20,074,373 16,883
2003-04 1,189 -- 20,272,195 17,050
2004-05 1,230 -- 21,296,497 17,314
2005-06 1,230 -- 21,586,804 17,550
2006-07 1,230 -- 21,841,480 17,757
2007-08 1,230 -- 21,369,686 17,374
2008-09 1,230 –- 21,528,650 17,503
2009-10 1,230 –- 21,094,015 17,150
2010-11 1,230 –- 21,305,573 17,321
2011-12 990 -- 17,100,861 17,274
2012-13 1,229 –- 21,320,299 17,348
2013-14 1,230 –- 21,411,543 17,408

And, of course, what you just posted has nothing to do with LEAGUE attendance which is what matters. The NBA is setting records as a whole. Now please address your hypocrisy instead of dodging it.