Why is the NBA so predictable year after year?

Stylizer1

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Hypocrite much? It's 2017 and you're stuck in the '90s. The NBA owners and the viewers disagree with you: That's why they cracked down on the goon ball and started to get the fans back as a result.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals_television_ratings

This year's ratings have been the highest since 98 but are nowhere near the 90's.
 

Blackhawkswincup

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Not shocking

90's NBA was pinnacle of NBA and was golden era

Truly the greatest time to be fan

Also it was before the flopping/whining became a thing after every play and players could actually play defense and there wasn't a foul called every drive to net
 

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Comparing TV ratings today of 20 years ago as apples to apples is completely disingenuous.
Morgoth Bauglir is trying to say that the goon era killed ratings/attendace and that the game was bad. I don't know how he came up with that. I show him the attendance numbers but that's not good enough. So I tried with he ratings.
 

Morozov

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Raw ratings like that aren't a fair reflection of viewers though. For example how many league pass subscriptions were active in the 90s, about zero?

As said, it isn't apples to apples.
 

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These ratings are fool's gold. People are interested in tuning in to see if GS is as good as advertised. Once everyone sees they are, the luster will be gone. The regular season next year will be unwatchable, and barring major injury or LeBron or the Spurs recruiting another all-star, the playoffs will be as well.
 

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And yet Jordan still won 6 titles during the goon era? What would you call this era? The one where Lebron has been to the finals more times than not. Who was Lebron's goon he had to defeat in order to win? Nobody, because he bailed because it was too tough the first time around in Ohio.
Jordan won 6 titles during the goon era?

No he diidn't

He started winning once the NBA changed the rules before the 90-91 season because Mike and Phil kept whining about the Pistons.
And after that, MJ pretty much had the refs in his pocket for the rest of his career

As for LeBron, he has faced better teams in the Finals than Jordan
 

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Jordan won 6 titles during the goon era?

No he diidn't

He started winning once the NBA changed the rules before the 90-91 season because Mike and Phil kept whining about the Pistons.
And after that, MJ pretty much had the refs in his pocket for the rest of his career

As for LeBron, he has faced better teams in the Finals than Jordan

What changes? You mean this one?

• Penalties for flagrant fouls increased such that an infraction is penalized by two free throw attempts and possession of the ball out-of-bounds. The offender may also be ejected if there is no apparent effort to play the ball and/or, in the official’s judgment, the contact was of such an excessive nature that an injury could have occurred. Ejected players will be automatically fined $250.

That seriously might be one of the dumbest claims I've ever read on these boards.

(rule changes for those interested -> http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html)


MJ didn't get anywhere near the amount of calls that modern day wings got. Guys like Wade and Harden (and even kobe!!!) shot more FT per FGA... some WAY more
 

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Jordan won 6 titles during the goon era?

No he diidn't

He started winning once the NBA changed the rules before the 90-91 season because Mike and Phil kept whining about the Pistons.
And after that, MJ pretty much had the refs in his pocket for the rest of his career

As for LeBron, he has faced better teams in the Finals than Jordan

Jordan faced better teams to get to the finals though. LeBron has always basically had a 3 round bye.
 

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What changes? You mean this one?

• Penalties for flagrant fouls increased such that an infraction is penalized by two free throw attempts and possession of the ball out-of-bounds. The offender may also be ejected if there is no apparent effort to play the ball and/or, in the official’s judgment, the contact was of such an excessive nature that an injury could have occurred. Ejected players will be automatically fined $250.

That seriously might be one of the dumbest claims I've ever read on these boards.

(rule changes for those interested -> http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html)


MJ didn't get anywhere near the amount of calls that modern day wings got. Guys like Wade and Harden (and even kobe!!!) shot more FT per FGA... some WAY more

I agree that Harden and Wade get way too many calls

But Jordan got calls in key games; just rewarch game 5 vs the Knicks in 1993; that was a joke; or the and 1's he got vs Clyde in the 1992 Finals especially in game 1

Jordan was also allowed to get away with murder on the defensive end.
 

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The NBA lacks parody because if the cap exemptions and soft cap. Especially in a league where one player can have so much effect on one team. Fix those and have a more competitive league
 

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The salary cap is a false attempt to create parity. While it kinda prevents rich teams from buying championships, it also prevents smaller markets that can afford to sign a superstar from offering as much, or more money than the current team can offer. Like the Hornets luring Curry to play in his hometown (not that Curry will even think about leaving GS now that he's just a win away from another ring).
 

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The problem with the NBA, in terms of competition is that the star players make so much money outside of their team pay checks. When the superstars can make as much as they can from endorsements, it's not hard to sacrifice a few mil (like Durant has suggested he will) as it's a drop in the bucket. The system is designed to give teams advantage to keep their players. But when players decide that they are willing to sacrifice a few million to go team up with other guys, what can you do?
 

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The salary cap is a false attempt to create parity. While it kinda prevents rich teams from buying championships, it also prevents smaller markets that can afford to sign a superstar from offering as much, or more money than the current team can offer. Like the Hornets luring Curry to play in his hometown (not that Curry will even think about leaving GS now that he's just a win away from another ring).

Allowing the home team to offer more is a rule that favors the small markets and attempts to level the playing field. If the money is the same, more guys are going to go to big markets than small ones. Give every NBA player the choice of making 100 mil and playing/living in LA or Mil and 95% of them are going to choice LA.

I'd add that having an artificial maximum on what each player can make plays a big part as well. Currently, if you are a max level guy, you get to pick and chose your spot. The home team can offer you a bit more, but otherwise the money is the same. Take off the max and things get really interesting. Does Durant go to GS if a team offers him 45 million? I doubt it.
 
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Jordan won 6 titles during the goon era?

No he diidn't

He started winning once the NBA changed the rules before the 90-91 season because Mike and Phil kept whining about the Pistons.
And after that, MJ pretty much had the refs in his pocket for the rest of his career

As for LeBron, he has faced better teams in the Finals than Jordan

1991 Lakers - Magic, Worthy, Mychal Thompson, Byron Scott, Vlade Divac, Sam Perkins, Larry Drew
1992 Blazers - Drexler
1993 Suns - Barkley, Kevin Johnson, Majerle

1996 Sonics - Payton, Schremp, Hawkins, Perkins, Kemp
1997/1998 Jazz - Malone, Stockton, Hornacek

Gonna disagree with you here. 1992 Blazers were weak (still managed to win 2 games tho) but the other teams were pretty damn good.
 

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Jordan won 6 titles during the goon era?

No he diidn't

He started winning once the NBA changed the rules before the 90-91 season because Mike and Phil kept whining about the Pistons.
And after that, MJ pretty much had the refs in his pocket for the rest of his career

As for LeBron, he has faced better teams in the Finals than Jordan
You have to read the whole discussion from where the goon theory came from.
 

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Jordan also played on better teams than LeBron
The thing is that the GM built a championship team, not over night. When Jordan came back the first time they had a completely different roster except for Pippen. They drafted Kukoc and signed Rodman who nobody wanted. The had a great team with Jordan and Pippen leading the way. Jordan had to learn to loose before he won. That builds character.
 

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The thing is that the GM built a championship team, not over night. When Jordan came back the first time they had a completely different roster except for Pippen. They drafted Kukoc and signed Rodman who nobody wanted. The had a great team with Jordan and Pippen leading the way. Jordan had to learn to loose before he won. That builds character.

Small detail, but they traded will Perdue for Rodman.
 

Keithsteeth

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I agree that Harden and Wade get way too many calls

But Jordan got calls in key games; just rewarch game 5 vs the Knicks in 1993; that was a joke; or the and 1's he got vs Clyde in the 1992 Finals especially in game 1

Jordan was also allowed to get away with murder on the defensive end.


That's a fair point... in fact Jordan and Lebron have that in common... both often got/get away with murder on the defensive end
 

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