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Are you going to elaborate on why they aren't? Particularly Dallas. Also that doesn't automatically make QC a good market.There are teams in Glendale, Raleigh, Florida, Dallas. Tell me how much of great markets they are.
Are you going to elaborate on why they aren't? Particularly Dallas. Also that doesn't automatically make QC a good market.There are teams in Glendale, Raleigh, Florida, Dallas. Tell me how much of great markets they are.
Quebec is given opportunities to show they want a team every year during the preseason and they draw under 10k most of the time.
As @Shwag33 said, not enough corporate money, etc. plenty of reasons Quebec keeps getting left out.
If the Coyotes end up moving and just go to Houston the reactions on this site are going to be pretty funny.QC is the perfect emergency option, you never want to expand there because in case of an emergency you can put a team there like the NHL did with the Thrashers to WPG
If the Coyotes end up moving and just go to Houston the reactions on this site are going to be pretty funny.
Would having the Nordiques back be cool? Yes. Is that a good reason to put them there? No.
QC is the perfect emergency option, you never want to expand there because in case of an emergency you can put a team there like the NHL did with the Thrashers to WPG
To add to this....
1 there is an additional 4 million people outside of metro Seattle to market to in the US
2 Seattle got serious screwed over and backstabbed in prior expansions
3 Quebec had its chance
4 Seattle does not have a saturated market. They have baseball, football, soccer, and Major ncaa college. There is no winter sports with no nba team.
5. It has large corporate HQ located in this area which can get higher revenue from arena revenue and league sponsorship deals.
QC is the perfect emergency option, you never want to expand there because in case of an emergency you can put a team there like the NHL did with the Thrashers to WPG
You left out reason number one. They did not apply.
Awful comment my friend. Buffalo and Winnipeg say hi. NHL players are rock stars in QC and unknown Joes in Columbus and Arizona.because no one would want to play in Quebec. terrible city
Cmon now. 10 000 is more than half the actual teams have for preseason games with their team on the ice.Preseason games are not exciting or worth the over inflated prices to see less than quality NHL action. These are not a fair estimate for any city wanting a team. I for one wouldn't pay money to go watch exhibition games, they aren't that great, and most of the time, it is AHL rosters with a few good NHLers anyhow.
Cmon now. 10 000 is more than half the actual teams have for preseason games with their team on the ice.
And half the city despise their former rivals. I am not paying to see Boston B team vs Mtl B team.
Add 5000 more fans and still they would not have a team today. Crap.
Yeah i am going in same direction you are.What are you getting at? I was on the defending side, that preseason games don't determine whether a city would or could support a team. I also stated I wouldn't pay to see exhibition games and that includes the Wings in exhibition. Confused by your point!
Seattle has almost as rich of a hockey history. After the Metropolitans won the Cup in 1917, the league folded in the mid 1920's. Upon rebirth of the PCHL during WWII, Seattle has had hockey ever since, with a brief interruption of a couple of seasons in the mid 1970's, due to the shuffling deck chairs of the WHA.A WHL team is fine but does it come anywhere near what an NHL franchise can do? Quebec City also has a rich hockey history with teams at almost every level (CHL, AHL, NHL, etc) Given a choice between the two markets I'd place an NHL team in QC any day of the week.
Let me see if I have this right:Just watch any interviews with Jeremy Jacobs to see the mindset of thr NHL brass. They only see glitters and they are snobish at Hell. It's still the sunny dream of going to a fantasy land where nobody knows hockey. These are stupid people who don't get that everything should go to a grassroot level of building up your brand before undertaking expansion. The UFC has grown cause it goes where the demand is, the NHL goes to where a market might exist in a Future World. You have to completely exaust the root of your homebase before seeing things elsewhere.
Instead of going to places that love hockey and that by playing there will give you more hockey players, they are going to artificial territories with no grassroot with people that will exit the place at the first sight of the team sucking. Even Vegas, just watch if they start sucking in a few years.
QC has all of this history and more plus they have a new arena that's already good to go.Seattle has almost as rich of a hockey history. After the Metropolitans won the Cup in 1917, the league folded in the mid 1920's. Upon rebirth of the PCHL during WWII, Seattle has had hockey ever since, with a brief interruption of a couple of seasons in the mid 1970's, due to the shuffling deck chairs of the WHA.
Preseason games are not exciting or worth the over inflated prices to see less than quality NHL action. These are not a fair estimate for any city wanting a team. I for one wouldn't pay money to go watch exhibition games, they aren't that great, and most of the time, it is AHL rosters with a few good NHLers anyhow.
Seattle did get screwed over during expansions:Lol.... no they didn't.
Not sure what time your referring to but when Vegas was given a team Seattle didnt have their s#it figured out yet. They also have had no viable arena until this huge renovation plan was announced. Quebec City is the one thats been screwed over and backstabbed.
"Quebec had its chance" is the dumbest thing ever. So did Atlanta, Denver, Twin Cities and Winnipeg...... all got second chances with 3/4 working out to this day.
It isn't like there's much "Uncle Gary" can do. He cannot relocate teams - that's the responsibility of the teams' ownership.People keep saying that but Uncle Gary seems to be content with various Sunbelt teams bleeding money.
I dont think they had a chance too this time... NHL had its blinders on and only cared for Seattle. It would have been a losing battle for them anyway, Bettman could care less about Canada.
Lol.... no they didn't.
Not sure what time your referring to but when Vegas was given a team Seattle didnt have their **** figured out yet. They also have had no viable arena until this huge renovation plan was announced. Quebec City is the one thats been screwed over and backstabbed.
"Quebec had its chance" is the dumbest thing ever. So did Atlanta, Denver, Twin Cities and Winnipeg...... all got second chances with 3/4 working out to this day.
Quebec Remparts vs Seattle Thunderbird battle of junior hockey attendance?
Not even close. Seattle under 5000 (capacity of 6500) while Quebec draws over 9000 average every year, 13000 + average 15-16.
Hockeydb figures.
I know fans support seem less important than tv revenues, median income or growing possibilities. If someone could give me tv revenues numbers, i would like that.
Exactly. But, it should take 6-7 years minimum unless it's Ottawa in the next few. Floride has an agreement with the City for 7-8years. Arizona will most likely move to Houston, big market and central division still mais sense there.Similar case to Winnipeg. Expand into the big markets ($$), relocate to the smaller, niche markets (WPG, QBC etc) is the logical thing for the NHL to do. The smaller markets may have a hard time coughing up the expansion fee, where as it's likely no big deal for a groups like in Vegas and Seattle.
As long as Quebec is ready on the sidelines, they will almost certainly get the next relocation. It's just a matter of who, and when.
That would be because I thought they'd sent in an application alongside Vegas and that that application was still 'active'.You left out reason number one. They did not apply.
That would be because I thought they'd sent in an application alongside Vegas and that that application was still 'active'.
Thanks for that info. Didnt know that.Seattle Thunderbird are located in Kent a southeast suburb. Everett is located north of Seattle. There is no team in Seattle. instead look at combine crowd size. Everett arena is a larger facility of around 9,000