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Don't disagree. Just figure that also solves the enforcer issue with more value added. The value of remaining pieces could be figured from there...
Abdelkader is a terrible fighter.
Don't disagree. Just figure that also solves the enforcer issue with more value added. The value of remaining pieces could be figured from there...
Briere out with a concussion.
Can someone explain the love affair around here with Couturier? He's got 7 points in 29 games and is a -11.
Can someone explain the love affair around here with Couturier? He's got 7 points in 29 games and is a -11.
I know his name had been tossed out once before not long ago, but apparently LeBrun was on TSN radio today and said to keep an eye on Mike Smith at the deadline. Don't suppose anyone was listening that can confirm this?
Can someone explain the love affair around here with Couturier? He's got 7 points in 29 games and is a -11.
Basically Hanzal part two, to put it the simplest way. A 1-2 punch of those two would be ideal for a team that relies on defense and the counterattack.
So it sounds like many of you are putting a lot of stock in him being able to step in and be reasonably effective at such an early age.
So it sounds like many of you are putting a lot of stock in him being able to step in and be reasonably effective at such an early age.
I guess I'm just not convinced of the defensive prowess. So many talk about him shutting down Malkin in the playoffs yet Malkin had 8 points in 6 games. Now this season he's a -11 and he also only has 7 points on the season. I guess I'm just skeptical of trading for potential unless that potential is really high AND very likely to be realized. To be clear I take that stance in this case because the only name I ever hear is Yandle who is already a known high quality asset.Of course. Why wouldn't you?
I guess I'm just not convinced of the defensive prowess. So many talk about him shutting down Malkin in the playoffs yet Malkin had 8 points in 6 games. Now this season he's a -11 and he also only has 7 points on the season. I guess I'm just skeptical of trading for potential unless that potential is really high AND very likely to be realized. To be clear I take that stance in this case because the only name I ever hear is Yandle who is already a known high quality asset.
There is a reason the saying isn't "One in the hand is worth one in the bush".
Abdelkader is a terrible fighter.
There's not a lot of wiggle room there, though. At least not under current conditions. Conditions that might not exist in a few months time. For all we know, this team could hit the draft and FA with a new coach, new GM and a new city. I don't really see status quo as appealing. I have zero desire to see this team limp into next year sans Maloney and Tippett. I imagine the ticket base would feel the same way.
Wow. For some reason, I thought he averaged about 10 scraps per year. Always thought he was in the middle of a lot of shoving matches, didn't realize that he doesn't drop that often. Like his physical play, but thought he did more to be the proverbial pest
Scratch that thought...
Couturier and the Flyers #1 (top 6 pick) for Yandle and the 'Yotes #1 (top 10 pick) but it all depends who is available in those 2 spots
Saw a Coyote fan post this. Didn't want to derail the PHI-PHX thread any further. You can't trade your biggest chip for the privilege of moving up a few spots in a draft. Not unless we're talking about a surefire star ala Ovechkin or Crosby. A GM should be fired for even entertaining the thought. If Holmgren passed on such a deal, he would be fired. Unless you can predict the future with 100% certainty, such a trade is unjustifiable.
Let's pretend that you got Barkov at #4. The Flyers take Monahan or Lindholm at #8. You just traded Keith Yandle, a player worth by all accounts 1 or 2 solid youngsters and a pick, for the privilege of taking a kid slightly more hyped. The risk here is so far off the charts I'm not even sure there's a gambling equivalent. Value wise, it's terrible. There's a solid argument that Yandle is worth a pick outside the top 5 and Couturier without any Coyote pick going the other way. Doubly so for an embattled GM that needs to win. Calgary might do something really stupid if they get assets back for their players, for instance.
Barkov would have to turn into more than a point per game player to win that trade, and that's with the assumption that the Flyers' pick busts. In other words, you are betting the difference between 4 and 8 is greater than the value of Yandle minus Couturier. The draft is a lot of things, but it's no place to be betting on sure things, if history has taught us anything. It's actually entirely possible that you play right into Holmgren's hands, if he likes a player suspected to be available 7-10 more than Barkov, for instance. Not a trade the Coyotes (or really any team) can afford to make.
This type of scenario is not a deadline deal. It's a draft day deal and would only occur if Phoenix has a guy in mind that is head and shoulders above the player they would select at their slot (which may yet be lower than the flyers).