He might be in this hfboards conversation but that's it and the Hart comment... Ummm, no. I'd say Vasi, Saros and Varlamov would all be better Hart candidates and that's just the goalies.Hellebuyck is in the conversation but might be a better candidate for Hart.
Biased, it should be Mike Smith, but he won't even clinch a finalist spot. Fleury will rightfully win it, and Vas will get another nomination because of status (ie Bergeron for Selke), which taints those awards imo.
The voting committee should be alot larger than it is. An exclusive group of journalists and media reporters, usually consisting of 144 ppl, but only 100 this season, most who have zero experience as a player, coach, scout, etc; is such a weak method in determining the best choice for each category taking into consideration all the details, regardless of status or hype.
They need former players, coaches, management, and/or people who have extensive experience within the game, first hand. Instead, a bunch of pompous, clueless 'journalists' will decide the fate of each prestigious trophy
Biased, it should be Mike Smith, but he won't even clinch a finalist spot. Fleury will rightfully win it, and Vas will get another nomination because of status (ie Bergeron for Selke), which taints those awards imo.
The voting committee should be alot larger than it is. An exclusive group of journalists and media reporters, usually consisting of 144 ppl, but only 100 this season, most who have zero experience as a player, coach, scout, etc; is such a weak method in determining the best choice for each category taking into consideration all the details, regardless of status or hype.
They need former players, coaches, management, and/or people who have extensive experience within the game, first hand. Instead, a bunch of pompous, clueless 'journalists' will decide the fate of each prestigious trophy
Hellebuyck is solid. Shout out to Greiss too. His save percentage really undercuts how much of a help he was to an otherwise disastrous Red Wings team.Hellebuyck should be in the conversation, but he won't because people only look at SV% without context. He, Vas, and Fleury are the top 3.
Do the other teams have a Lehner calibre backup goalie?My heart and head say Grubauer, my gut says they go with Vasi due to being about as good and being on the east coast, or Fleury due to lifetime achievement as well as roughly comparable stats.
Grub: 30 wins in 39 starts (76.9%), leads the league in shutouts and 2nd in GAA (1.95). Respectable SV% (92.2%, 9th).
Vasi: league leading 31 wins in 42 starts (73.8%), 4th in shutouts, respectable GAA (2.21) and good SV% (92.5%).
Fleury: 26 wins in 36 starts for 3rd most (72.2%), 2nd in shutouts, 3rd in both GAA and SV% (1.98, 92.8%)
Fleury is hurt a bit by how well the other goalies did for VGK...2.40GAA and 91.0% SV%, compared to 2.72GAA and 88.4% SV% for Colorado; and 3.00GAA and 87.5% SV% for Tampa.
There are others in the convo as well, but these are the three that stick out to me.
Greiss was absolute garbage the first half of the year, not just suffering from the defense. Bernier was far outplaying him and actually had a winning record for awhile early in the year while greiss started 2-14-4.Hellebuyck is solid. Shout out to Greiss too. His save percentage really undercuts how much of a help he was to an otherwise disastrous Red Wings team.
Not to say you’re wrong that we need more informed decision-makers, but the Vezina is chosen by GM’s....Biased, it should be Mike Smith, but he won't even clinch a finalist spot. Fleury will rightfully win it, and Vas will get another nomination because of status (ie Bergeron for Selke), which taints those awards imo.
The voting committee should be alot larger than it is. An exclusive group of journalists and media reporters, usually consisting of 144 ppl, but only 100 this season, most who have zero experience as a player, coach, scout, etc; is such a weak method in determining the best choice for each category taking into consideration all the details, regardless of status or hype.
They need former players, coaches, management, and/or people who have extensive experience within the game, first hand. Instead, a bunch of pompous, clueless 'journalists' will decide the fate of each prestigious trophy
I don't think anyone could reasonably say that Hellebuyck was better than Smith this season.
I hope flower gets it. It would cement his status as first ballot HHOF.
I think Dubnyk has proven you can definitely be a bad goalie on the Avs lolVasilevsky
Fleury
Jarry
Hellebyuk
Grubauer plays on a team that doesn't allow enough shots or scoring chances for him to save the bacon like the other guys
And still have a winning recordI think Dubnyk has proven you can definitely be a bad goalie on the Avs lol