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entire thread was created so someone can say "see, I was right. Hextall is a failure. Fire him." when Tavares signs elsewhere.
Right, and that pretty much illustrates the need for better depth at center. Gotta get an improvement over Filppula. 33 points in 81 games isn't enough for a top 3 center on this team.
I would not move Giroux back to center, though. He's far more effective on the wing at this stage, takes a lot less punishment, and doesn't have to deal with the hard defensive responsibilities against great players. He's perfect with Couturier and I wouldn't break up a combo that just had two career years together.
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. What good is possession if you don't do anything with it? If that's more important than points, just sit on the puck your whole shift.33 points from Filp would have been fine if he had been even average from a possession standpoint. It's not even that he's terrible defensively -- he actually doesn't make a ton of mistakes in the defensive zone -- it's that the other team always has the puck when he's on the ice.
Yeah...ideally. Yet there were only 30 C that got 63 points last year.I think you're missing the forest for the trees. What good is possession if you don't do anything with it? If that's more important than points, just sit on the puck your whole shift.
Anyway, I don't think 33 points is good enough for a top 2/3 center when the other 2/3 center scores 30. 63 points combined isn't even close to cutting it. Ideally, your 2C gets around 63 himself.
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. What good is possession if you don't do anything with it? If that's more important than points, just sit on the puck your whole shift.
Anyway, I don't think 33 points is good enough for a top 2/3 center when the other 2/3 center scores 30. 63 points combined isn't even close to cutting it. Ideally, your 2C gets around 63 himself.
100%, unequivocally, incorrect. Just because I don't expect every prospect to work out doesn't mean I think they all suck. It's means unlike you I am a realist and understand that a successful team can't be comprised of prospects alone.
Also, that article you linked was a total puff piece.
Considering I created it and dont want Tavares.........entire thread was created so someone can say "see, I was right. Hextall is a failure. Fire him." when Tavares signs elsewhere.
Well, the goal isn't to be an average team, right? And if you want to get out of the East, like it seems everyone does, you're going to need to be a lot better than average. You still have to go through Pittsburgh (Crosby/Malkin), Washington (Backstrom/Kuznetsov), and Tampa (Stamkos/Point). Plus Toronto (Matthews/Nylander/Kadri).Yeah...ideally. Yet there were only 30 C that got 63 points last year.
Except, unlike last season's Filppula, they could score. You're kind of glossing over that little aspect.Sitting on the puck your whole shift is very much what the old Soviet teams used to do, and the Red Wings' Russian 5 used a similar strategy to spectacular results. Actually maintaining possession of the puck is a lot easier said than done.
Sanheim and Lindblom are the only two who even look like NHL players RIGHT NOW. The others might be, they might not. You just don't wait around hoping every prospect works out at the expense of improving the team if opportunities arise.So Hextall exercised patience by letting players like Morin, Sanheim, Lindblom, Myers and NAK marinate, and you think he should just abandon all that cuz we made the playoffs barely and have some extra cap?
When you start to realize that not every prospect is going to work out, nor would a GM operate under those unrealistic set of circumstances then maybe you will be capable of having an actual discussion at the big boy table.I mean, that's brilliant!! Why develop players at all?
Preaching patience when Hextall has been the GM for FOUR years and the team can't even win a playoff round is a clear puff piece. At least the expansion team didn't win a playoff round this year...oh wait....nut at least they aren't one win away from the cup finals....ah, never mind.seems like anything contradicting your opinion is a "puff piece" lol
even IF Sanheim is a top four defenseman this coming year they still need another top four D, a goalie upgrade, a LW, a C, etc etc. Bottom line this team has more hills than some prospects can fill and with cap dollars and assets (two first round picks) they would be dumb not to add two or three veterans.Team just made the playoffs with 3 players on the active roster (Sanheim, Patrick and Lindblom) all about to be significantly better. What you fail to realize...is that they ARE the help If they are the help this team is screwed.
And this is where you prove what a blow hard you are. Nobody is saying they should blow their wad and abandon all of their prospects.Blowing the wad this year in delusions of becoming a contender is premature imo. Way tooo many pieces we have been cultivating just to abandon ship and tank their value
For someone who gets so salty when people misrepresent his words, you sure do like to do it a lot.People who dont understand the need for a center probably suck at life. Good teams have three good centers. This isnt the 90's where teams had two scoring lines, a checkling line, and a fourth line with enforcers/pests. You look at the best teams in the league and the vast majority of them have three lines capable of scoring. It doesnt matter what so ever if Patrick is on the "second line" or the "third line."
Sanheim and Lindblom are the only two who even look like NHL players RIGHT NOW. The others might be, they might not. You just don't wait around hoping every prospect works out at the expense of improving the team if opportunities arise.
WPG did
When you start to realize that not every prospect is going to work out, nor would a GM operate under those unrealistic set of circumstances then maybe you will be capable of having an actual discussion at the big boy table.
And you have no clue they won't Nostradamus. That's why waiting another year is the smart play. Are you sure your real name isn't Peter Chiarelli?
Preaching patience when Hextall has been the GM for FOUR years and the team can't even win a playoff round is a clear puff piece. At least the expansion team didn't win a playoff round this year...oh wait....nut at least they aren't one win away from the cup finals....ah, never mind.
Yes. Let's completely omit the narrative that Hexy spent 2 years cleaning up a huge mess and is regarded by many experts as a great GM for doing so and drafting exceptionally.
even IF Sanheim is a top four defenseman this coming year they still need another top four D, a goalie upgrade, a LW, a C, etc etc. Bottom line this team has more hills than some prospects can fill and with cap dollars and assets (two first round picks) they would be dumb not to add two or three veterans.
I have no probs adding some cheap vets. A 3rd line C is much needed. But you spout off players like Myers as a saving grace for next year. That would cost considerable asset to a team not ready to contend. Then what? Let him walk cuz most likely Myers 2.0 is ready. Look at your list, all players who will require healthy contracts, will require NMC's with an expansion looming, or will take great value to aquire
And this is where you prove what a blow hard you are. Nobody is saying they should blow their wad and abandon all of their prospects.
In which of the last 4 years should the team have won a playoff series?
When was that a reasonable expectation?
Also, concerning that 2nd half split for Patrick:
Patrick 5v5 (after January 1st).........1.6 points/60, 53.3 CF%, 58.3 GF%, 52 SCF%, 57 HDCF% in 12.4 minutes/game
That looks like the profile of a 2C in the making. Obviously, you'd hope for a points/60 approaching 2.0. And wouldn't you know, over the final 25 games, he was north of that.
Yep and all of those things will certainly happen. This is exactly why you and a small handful of others are impossible to talk to. You are under this odd delusion that all of the top prospects will not only work out but become elite players. I've got news for you, in the real world it doesnt work out that way.Never! But I fully expect them to win 1, 2, 3 or cup when
-Patrick is an 80 point player
-Provorov is a Norris candidate
-Frost is a top 6 player
-Hart is playing like Carey Price
-The D is like Nashville-esque with Provy, Ghost, Sanheim and Myers
-Linblom is a 50 point possession monster
Careful, you're going to trigger him beyond the point of no return.Never! But I fully expect them to win 1, 2, 3 or cup when
-Patrick is an 80 point player
-Provorov is a Norris candidate
-Frost is a top 6 player
-Hart is playing like Carey Price
-The D is like Nashville-esque with Provy, Ghost, Sanheim and Myers
-Linblom is a 50 point possession monster
... is such a dumb complaint.Preaching patience when Hextall has been the GM for FOUR years and the team can't even win a playoff round
Yep and all of those things will certainly happen. This is exactly why you and a small handful of others are impossible to talk to. You are under this odd delusion that all of the top prospects will not only work out but become elite players. I've got news for you, in the real world it doesnt work out that way.
Careful, you're going to trigger him beyond the point of no return.
And exactly, at no point should the expectation have ever been to compete when they were so obviously rebuilding and focusing on the future. The team had great players, but was always horribly flawed in important spots (like goaltending, for example). Which is why a comment like this...
... is such a dumb complaint.
No, a dumb comment would be any where mediocrity is not only accepted but encouraged. It shouldnt take half a decade to rebuild a team to the point where they can win one playoff round. If you want to be a naive dope and accept mediocrity dont get your panties all knotted up because I dont.
If you have paid attention youd know I like Patrick a lot. Ptovorov is a given. Sanheim has shown potential at the NHL level. Nobody else has shown anything to suggest the Flyers should wait around for them and not upgrade the team. Fanfrickintastic the rest of the prospects are "tracking exceptionally" (not even close to 100% true by the way) it doesnt mean a thing until they prove themselves at the NHL level. Those four teams you mentioned didnt ONLY develope talent. They also traded for key players and signed free agents which is all I have ever suggested the Flyers do despite your lies.Like I said. You must be Peter Chiarelli
Patrick just looked better than Drai in his first year. Provy is looking like a legit shot at Norris 2 years in. Sanheim had exceptional underlying stats
The others..well, they are tracking exceptionally and are walking into the perfect storm talent, development and patience
In the real world, teams develop talent also. Wpg, Nash, Chi, Pit