GeorgeKaplan
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I feel Hayes for sure - he doesn`t fit well in AV system anyway and he is too slow.
We shouldn't be looking for players that fit AV's system if he's not going to be here within a few years
I feel Hayes for sure - he doesn`t fit well in AV system anyway and he is too slow.
He has 82 points in his first 2 NHL seasons playing mainly on the 3rd line and barely any PP time...what are you talking about?
Much better start to his NHL than Kreider and Miller had, on par with Stepans.
We shouldn't be looking for players that fit AV's system if he's not going to be here within a few years
You do realize an opinion like this coming from you holds more weight than other posters. What are you hearing?
There's a question where Hayes fits on a top tier team. He has demonstrated some real deficiencies as a center (i.e. faceoffs, very inconsistent backcheck) He's not played particularly well on the wing. They also know he's been a healthy scratch at times. He took a step back in 2015-16 and teams noticed. One team I did hear mentioned was Calgary.
That's interesting...what could the Flames offer? Could the #6 pick be in play?
I'd prefer none of them, but I'd personally pick Hayes. I think they all have similar offensive potential, ~50 points 20-30 guys.
Hayes scored 45 points his rookie season playing 13 minutes a game on the 3rd line. You think his top potential is just 5 more points when he gets more mature and is playing 17+ minutes a game on the 2nd line?
Hayes scored 45 points his rookie season playing 13 minutes a game on the 3rd line. You think his top potential is just 5 more points when he gets more mature and is playing 17+ minutes a game on the 2nd line?
You keep bringing up Hayes' offensive prowess. My concern is his play without the puck, which was abominable last season.
You keep bringing up Hayes' offensive prowess. My concern is his play without the puck, which was abominable last season.
You are running on the assumption that players just consistently get better, but I'm not sure it's as true for guys coming off 4 years of college. I can think of one former Ranger who fits that description playing in the SCF who hasn't improved much (nor has he needed to) when you compare him to his rookie season.
I definitely think he has a ton of room to get better.
Kreider was playing on pure adrenaline and dominated his first few weeks. His first real NHL season he was playing like a rookie and has improved since that year. He as well have room to improve still if he would get more consistent.
I can't believe I'm the only one who picked Miller. Unless I'm misunderstanding the question, it's who is most likely to be traded and not who we want to be traded.
I think JT is going to want a lot of money from us and may price himself out of our range. How much would you pay the kid? $2 million? $3? What if he wants $4-5 per year? He bet on himself this year by taking a 1 year deal and he may have won the bet.
I'm not saying I want to trade Miller, but I wouldn't be opposed to it.
The quandary with Hayes is that he may just not give you enough to be a top 6 center and he clearly lacks some of the traits effective necessary for a prototypical 3rd line center. He fits best on a team like the 2014-15 Rangers that rolled four lines and had a quality 4th center. With the Rangers 4th line in crisis much of last year, he was really exposed. Perhaps you can fix Hayes by fixing some of the problems around him.
I don't know what kind of value he would bring back but I think you can be fairly certain it isn't the #6 pick.