Speculation: Which F's make the roster out of camp?

[KJ Dangler]

Dude has Star Charisma for sure

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Markus Hannikainen has been voted off the island.

I suspected that Lilja coming over was as a possible replacement for him. Now we’ll see if he has a chance to make the team now too. Only 5 players left for a final roster.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Markus Hannikainen has been voted off the island.

I suspected that Lilja coming over was as a possible replacement for him. Now we’ll see if he has a chance to make the team now too. Only 5 players left for a final roster.

Only way Lilja makes team is if Milano is traded , or another trade is made to create roster space . Milano , Bemstrom and Tex will infuse a lot of skill in the lineup that’s desperately needed . We will essentially combat the loss of Panarin , by having 4 scoring lines . And Torts needs to back up his rhetoric about not over coaching , and letting the young guys play thru and learn

 

[DarkandStormy]

Forecasting the Blue Jackets' 2019-20 roster, second edition...

Porty has Hannikainen as a roster "lock" which...lol he just got cut.

 

[EDM]

There is also a mention in today's Dispatch about how Dubie has a lock on one of the slots in the 4th line. I know they are not ready to buy him out. But seriously, the only role Dubie is fit for as this time is as the 13th forward who gets to play an occasional game due to some unique match up role or because someone is injured. Creating a 4th scoring line is essential for this team going forward into this season.

 

[DJA]

Interesting that we’re paying Hanni an NHL salary to play in Cleveland. Hopefully he’ll get claimed but I doubt it.

Looks like Bemstrom & Milano as the final two, with Dubi off to the press box.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Lilja with no votes in this poll and he's one of the final 15 healthy forwards at camp.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Interesting that we’re paying Hanni an NHL salary to play in Cleveland. Hopefully he’ll get claimed but I doubt it.

Looks like Bemstrom & Milano as the final two, with Dubi off to the press box.

Agreed although I bet Dubi rotates in for matchups, etc.

 

[stevo61]

Agreed although I bet Dubi rotates in for matchups, etc.

This is kind of my fear. He keeps young skilled guys on such a short leash that as soon as one of the kids screw up he wont hesitate to put Dubi in, or like you say when playing teams like Boston for example but those heavy games should be viewed as a time to learn because its closer to playoff hockey

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Only way Lilja makes team is if Milano is traded , or another trade is made to create roster space . Milano , Bemstrom and Tex will infuse a lot of skill in the lineup that’s desperately needed . We will essentially combat the loss of Panarin , by having 4 scoring lines . And Torts needs to back up his rhetoric about not over coaching , and letting the young guys play thru and learn

I’m leaning towards Milano not being on the team. He still struggles with defending and has had ample opportunity to figure it out. I’d also lean more towards Dano over Lilja. I was just using him as a comparable to Hannikainen as a undrafted European being given a shot.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I’m leaning towards Milano not being on the team. He still struggles with defending and has had ample opportunity to figure it out. I’d also lean more towards Dano over Lilja. I was just using him as a comparable to Hannikainen as a undrafted European being given a shot.

So your saying Milano will be lost to waivers ? A player that scored 14 g in 55 games playing 11 minutes a night , as a rookie ? I don’t see that happening

 

[KJ Dangler]

This is kind of my fear. He keeps young skilled guys on such a short leash that as soon as one of the kids screw up he wont hesitate to put Dubi in, or like you say when playing teams like Boston for example but those heavy games should be viewed as a time to learn because its closer to playoff hockey

A real possibility, and based on Torts past, likely ... also a possibility that the powerplay sucks once again , being that he did nothing to his staff that has no answers for 2 years straight years , and had to bring in a retired player for help, that has now indicated he won’t be doing that this year . They get off to a slow start , and Torts will be back in the television studios , as an analyst , can’t imagine Jarmo will sit by and watch talent be wasted once again

 

[DarkandStormy]

A real possibility, and based on Torts past, likely ... also a possibility that the powerplay sucks once again , being that he did nothing to his staff that has no answers for 2 years straight years , and had to bring in a retired player for help, that has now indicated he won’t be doing that this year . They get off to a slow start , and Torts will be back in the television studios , as an analyst , can’t imagine Jarmo will sit by and watch talent be wasted once again

We're still running the same damn system the rest of the league figured out 2 years ago. Can't wait for no movement on the PP, a bunch of slow, televised passes, and shots not getting through.

 

[thebus88]

Only way Lilja makes team is if Milano is traded , or another trade is made to create roster space . Milano , Bemstrom and Tex will infuse a lot of skill in the lineup that’s desperately needed . We will essentially combat the loss of Panarin , by having 4 scoring lines . And Torts needs to back up his rhetoric about not over coaching , and letting the young guys play thru and learn

We aint doing this again boys.

Milano is NOT equal to Bjorkstrand and I'd argue the same should be said about the other 2.

Texier has literally already proven that he is much better.

Hannikainen is terrible.

 

[thebus88]

There is also a mention in today's Dispatch about how Dubie has a lock on one of the slots in the 4th line. I know they are not ready to buy him out. But seriously, the only role Dubie is fit for as this time is as the 13th forward who gets to play an occasional game due to some unique match up role or because someone is injured. Creating a 4th scoring line is essential for this team going forward into this season.

SERIOUS QUESTION

Did you watch any CBJ games during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs last year??


The "quickness" or "jump" in his legs is clearly much better now (end of last year and CURRENTLY this preseason) than it was for a bit of a stretch there.

Its safe to assume that there was an issue with his physical preparation/fitness and that instead of like other guys not changing their ways, he has made changes to get his "game" and possibly other things back on track.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

So your saying Milano will be lost to waivers ? A player that scored 14 g in 55 games playing 11 minutes a night , as a rookie ? I don’t see that happening

And yet he only played 8 games last season.

Marko Dano had 8 goals in 35 games as a rookie. He’s been on waivers a few times and been in 3 different organizations before coming back here. I’m not putting stock in Milano’s performance 2 years ago. I’m looking at how he fits now and this year. He’s not going to be gifted a spot because of offensive skilled displayed 2 seasons ago if he still struggles with defending.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

SERIOUS QUESTION

Did you watch any CBJ games during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs last year??


The "quickness" or "jump" in his legs is clearly much better now (end of last year and CURRENTLY this preseason) than it was for a bit of a stretch there.

Its safe to assume that there was an issue with his physical preparation/fitness and that instead of like other guys not changing their ways, he has made changes to get his "game" and possibly other things back on track.

Yes, he had a very good playoffs. Both in the Tampa and Boston series. He was one of the handful of players who played basically the same way game in and game out in both series' and didn't fold under the pressure. He was good.

However, lets not lose sight on his play as a large last year, and quite frankly the year before that too. He was mostly used as a faceoff specialist last year and in the Washington series. He's not an offensive threat for the other team, he can maybe kill penalties but at the end of the day his greatest asset is his faceoff ability. He is by far the best faceoff guy on the team, and quite frankly I think that is the only reason he hasn't been bought out yet. He had a good 10 game stretch last year, but other than the playoffs, Dubinsky was just there. I feel the same way about Riley Nash, but Nash also is younger and the better player, so I have more trust in him rebounding from a one year slump than I have in Dubinsky to emerge from his 2 year slump.

I like Dubinsky. I commend him for trying to change his lifestyle/style of play to keep up with todays game. Jared Boll tried it too, but father time is undefeated and I'm not sure how much more Dubinsky has to give. He'll be on the roster this year, but I haven't seen anything to believe that he will be used in any other situation other than what he was used for last year, which was for faceoffs. I'm not even sure he'll be a lineup regular this year.

 

[majormajor]

Markus Hannikainen has been voted off the island.

I suspected that Lilja coming over was as a possible replacement for him. Now we’ll see if he has a chance to make the team now too. Only 5 players left for a final roster.

They resigned Hanni this summer. If they knew they were replacing him they wouldn't have done that.

Interesting that we’re paying Hanni an NHL salary to play in Cleveland. Hopefully he’ll get claimed but I doubt it.

I'm glad he's getting sent down, in the hope that we can get a real 4th scoring line, but I also hope Hanni doesn't get claimed. There certainly won't be any salary cap issues one way or the other. I think Hanni adds a lot for a Boston or Washington playoff matchup. We've seen what happens in the playoffs when soft players become useless. I wasn't happy that Torts didn't put him in until the final game last Spring. I thought Hanni gave his line a much improved forecheck and created one golden scoring chance, but then again Torts didn't use his line for more than a few minutes.

 

[majormajor]

SERIOUS QUESTION

Did you watch any CBJ games during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs last year??


The "quickness" or "jump" in his legs is clearly much better now (end of last year and CURRENTLY this preseason) than it was for a bit of a stretch there.

Its safe to assume that there was an issue with his physical preparation/fitness and that instead of like other guys not changing their ways, he has made changes to get his "game" and possibly other things back on track.

Allright, Bus I agree with you, he was noticeably better last Spring. And Dubi has looked good in camp to me. I'm still going to be pretty skeptical that he can be a regular on an effective scoring line, and I like him as #13F.

Also it would be funny if an issue with his preparation/fitness was holding him back last year, there were profiles written a year ago about his newfound dedication and his incredible fitness regimen.

I think it's more likely that Dubi is just at that stage where he can offer intensity and muscle on an as-needed basis, and that he shouldn't be expected to keep that kind of effort up every game. He'll be more useful if used sparingly.

There is also a mention in today's Dispatch about how Dubie has a lock on one of the slots in the 4th line. I know they are not ready to buy him out. But seriously, the only role Dubie is fit for as this time is as the 13th forward who gets to play an occasional game due to some unique match up role or because someone is injured. Creating a 4th scoring line is essential for this team going forward into this season.

I'm trying to imagine how Dubi could be a lock for it. He's had a good camp but the best line until last game was Milano - Nash - Bemstrom, which has stayed together the whole time. You'd imagine that Dubi would get some time with some of those players if they were envisioning him as a 4th line regular. Or is the vision something like

Dano Dubinsky Lilja as a 4th line, with Nash as a 13F?

That seems unlikely to me. We'd lose Milano to waivers, Bemstrom to Sweden for the year, and Nash is just a better player overall.

 

[majormajor]

And yet he only played 8 games last season.

Marko Dano had 8 goals in 35 games as a rookie. He’s been on waivers a few times and been in 3 different organizations before coming back here. I’m not putting stock in Milano’s performance 2 years ago. I’m looking at how he fits now and this year. He’s not going to be gifted a spot because of offensive skilled displayed 2 seasons ago if he still struggles with defending.

I agree it's not about what happened a couple years ago. But Milano is a lot stronger on the puck now and has been the Jackets most potent weapon in the pre-season (I suppose until yesterday, didn't see it).

 

[majormajor]

I like Dubinsky. I commend him for trying to change his lifestyle/style of play to keep up with todays game. Jared Boll tried it too, but father time is undefeated and I'm not sure how much more Dubinsky has to give. He'll be on the roster this year, but I haven't seen anything to believe that he will be used in any other situation other than what he was used for last year, which was for faceoffs. I'm not even sure he'll be a lineup regular this year.

There's no way that Dubi would be kept in the lineup as a faceoff specialist, and Bemstrom would simultaneously be on his line. If Bemstrom is getting enough minutes to develop, then that line needs 10 mins at evens.

Faceoffs ought to have become less pressing at this point. Wennberg is improved enough that he was about 50% in the second half last year, Jenner is great at it, Dubois might still be an issue for another year or two, but overall the team is not too far below 50%. Faceoffs is an issue if we're talking about someone near 40%, but 48% vs 52% is a negligible difference and doesn't affect a players value. Having a shutdown center like Jenner winning 54% makes it pointless to put Dubi (57%) in for faceoffs. If you've got a defensive draw you're much better off with Jenner than Dubinsky, because the faceoff difference between the two is negligible while the defending ability is not.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

They resigned Hanni this summer. If they knew they were replacing him they wouldn't have done that.

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Not necessarily. They merely extended the required qualifying offer to keep his rights and allowed a proper competition to occur. The writing was on the wall for him last season when he disappeared late in the season and during the playoffs. I never said they wanted him gone but it’s pretty obvious they are looking at better options this season. If he goes unclaimed he’ll be solid depth in Cleveland but otherwise he’s gone the way of the Sedlak.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I agree it's not about what happened a couple years ago. But Milano is a lot stronger on the puck now and has been the Jackets most potent weapon in the pre-season (I suppose until yesterday, didn't see it).

I only heard a brief bit of yesterday after I finished on the golf course but the brief time I listen he sounded like a defensive liability again.

 

[majormajor]

Not necessarily. They merely extended the required qualifying offer to keep his rights and allowed a proper competition to occur. The writing was on the wall for him last season when he disappeared late in the season and during the playoffs. I never said they wanted him gone but it’s pretty obvious they are looking at better options this season. If he goes unclaimed he’ll be solid depth in Cleveland but otherwise he’s gone the way of the Sedlak.

Ah okay, I thought you were suggesting they knew he'd be cut.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I only heard a brief bit of yesterday after I finished on the golf course but the brief time I listen he sounded like a defensive liability again.

I'm iffy on Sonny but they're going to have to let him play it out or cut their losses. Or maybe first one, then the other.