LEAFSANDBILLSFAN
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Lol....irony
Pot meet kettle
I'm not disagreeing with this in hindsight I'm just still completely baffled as to your first post if you read through this thread.
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Lol....irony
Pot meet kettle
I'm not disagreeing with this in hindsight I'm just still completely baffled as to your first post if you read through this thread.
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I explained that in the second post already
Oh yeah the USA. What an amazing place to live right now.All teams in Canada, Arizona, Minnesota, Buffalo
Toronto is also one of the few teams besides maybe the Rangers who can also give the players they sign a lot of bonuses in their contracts.A lot of people are mistakenly voting for Toronto here. It doesn't make the top ten due to the bad tax situation and the horrid media, but it's hard to argue that it's a bottom ten destination for players either. It's a high quality city with access to great facilities, provides lots of sponsorship opportunities, and the team has more fan support than you'll find anywhere else besides perhaps Montreal. The weather obviously doesn't compare to Florida or California, but it's not any worse than what most US teams in the northern states experience.
not to mention if youre raising a family and having to learn a new languageInteresting to see that MTL isn't getting more votes. I can tell you that a "bad tax situation" and "undesirable weather" are big here. Absolutely, at times our fans are off-puttingly overzealous. In terms of recruiting talent, I'm not sure if language is an issue for coaching still but I always think back to poor Randy Cunneyworth and the protests against his hiring by Quebec Nationalists. Not to mention that it definitely checks the "being in Canada may factor in." Anyways, glad to see it, but still surprised!
Los Angeles.
The Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan, Elon Musk people exiting California made me think about those crazy insane taxes and needles on the ground
L.A is not the place it used to be.
From what I read on the internet mind you
A lot of people are mistakenly voting for Toronto here. It doesn't make the top ten due to the bad tax situation and the horrid media, but it's hard to argue that it's a bottom ten destination for players either. It's a high quality city with access to great facilities, provides lots of sponsorship opportunities, and the team has more fan support than you'll find anywhere else besides perhaps Montreal. The weather obviously doesn't compare to Florida or California, but it's not any worse than what most US teams in the northern states experience.
Jeff Skinner vetoed a trade to LA but took one to Buffalo. Taylor Hall. Buffalo was chosen by 2 of the best forwards who moved over the last 2 and a half years. And the Bills have zero issue bringing in top UFAs. Buffalo weather is completely overblown. This past winter was mild. Oh but you say hockey players are mainly from cold cities and want sunshine and dry weather!
OK I will just leave this FACT from the NWS.
"Overall though, Buffalo has the sunniest and driest summers of any major city in the Northeast, with enough rain to keep vegetation green and lush."
source Buffalo Climate Narrative (NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, the top source on weather)
Buffalos hate is totally overblown especially as soon as a player gets here they don't want to leave. Marcel Dionne. Played in LA! But he lives in Buffalo. Ryan Sittler. Played in the hockey Mecca Toronto!! He lives in Buffalo. Numerous players once retired whether they were a Sabre or not come here to live post career. Besides the ridiculously high state tax the housing is laughable..in a good way. A couple mil in San Jose/LA/NYC gets you a f***ing cardboard box. Here? A huge mansion.
A lot of people are mistakenly voting for Toronto here. It doesn't make the top ten due to the bad tax situation and the horrid media, but it's hard to argue that it's a bottom ten destination for players either. It's a high quality city with access to great facilities, provides lots of sponsorship opportunities, and the team has more fan support than you'll find anywhere else besides perhaps Montreal. The weather obviously doesn't compare to Florida or California, but it's not any worse than what most US teams in the northern states experience.
Vancouver still can’t compete with Cali or Florida teams. It also has the worst travel schedule in the league lol
The biggest problem is there's no escaping the spotlight for an NHLer in Toronto (especially a star player). Would you rather be under the microscope and living in Toronto during the winter...or living at the beach with no microscope and not pay high taxes?
Sure like you said you can get the most amount of fan support...you can also get the most amount of fan hate.
I love Toronto, I've lived in the GTA (Oakville) and in the city (Church/Shuter) for years...but if I were an NHL player it would absolutely be near the bottom for me to play in. Why put myself through all that stress, especially when I can make more elsewhere?
Ryan Sittler. Played in the hockey Mecca Toronto!! He lives in Buffalo. Numerous players once retired whether they were a Sabre or not come here to live post career. Besides the ridiculously high state tax the housing is laughable..in a good way. A couple mil in San Jose/LA/NYC gets you a f***ing cardboard box. Here? A huge mansion.
I have to seriously question what you said about all three of these here, especially LA.NY, Florida, LA will always have international pull, even when the teams are in the dumpster. Everyone else is doing a sack race... for 5th.
I have to seriously question what you said about all three of these here, especially LA.
But each of these three is a VERY different animal
Florida has an advantage over the other two with no state income tax
California, where LA is , has the highest income tax of any state
The Rangers are able to land the big free agent that most other teams aren't . I can't speak for Florida, but the Kings have never landed the big free agent and usually have to resort to plan c
Quite a few times. The ones in the news were Brad Richards who went to the Rangers and Kovalchuk the year before that and they thought they had Chara and lost out to the Bruins before that.How often do the Kings try to land the big free agent?
The Lakers are their own animal. other LA don't have the same clout our respect with free agents. Almost every NBA player wants to play for the lakers. The same is not the case for the Dodgers, Kings, Rams, Galaxy, etcThey don't seem to be on very many NT lists. The Lakers have no issues pulling huge free agent talents, obviously they are a bit of a different class of Org, but the LA as a city has a lot of pull, no different than NY.
FTR: LA was WAY WAY WAY better weather than Florida.Wasn't really meant to be a discussion on tax rates. Florida has weather and Tax on its side. NY and LA have the glamor and prestge on theirs.
Karlsson did not sign as a UFA with the Sharks. He was traded to the team before that. It is much easier to re-sign your own player than a UFACalifornia tax rates didn't stop Karlsson from signing a huge UFA contract in SJ, or Shattenkirk signing in Anaheim, which is super close to LA. Shattenkirk was a player that basically forced his way to NY, because of the city.
I am sorry, who is Hamilton? Do you mean Josh Hamilton the baseball player. From everything I know the Angels landed him by outbidding everyone else who did their homework and didn't realize that he had some substance abuse problems.I dont often see it reported that LA is in the running for huge UFA, but maybe I'm wrong. It just seems like a place atheletes in general always want to be - LeBron, Hamilton, etc.
Well Brad Richards went to NY, which I listed as a top 5 city, so it's not like they were losing out on Brad Richards Edmonton. Kovalchuk went to NJ, and they offered some atrocious insane Weber type contract.Quite a few times. The ones in the news were Brad Richards who went to the Rangers and Kovalchuk the year before that and they thought they had Chara and lost out to the Bruins before that.
As far as the NT lists, someone above mentioned that Skinner has vetoed a trade to LA. I personally had not heard that
Karlsson did not sign as a UFA with the Sharks. He was traded to the team before that. It is much easier to re-sign your own player than a UFA
Shattenkirk was far from being a premier free agent and was pretty much the C tier of D men.
Other than Scott Niedermeyer, I can't think of a single premier UFA that the Ducks, Kings, or Sharks have ever signed.
The Galaxy have immense clout in the MLS, they had no issues buying and keep Ibrahimovic and Beckham.The Lakers are their own animal. other LA don't have the same clout our respect with free agents. Almost every NBA player wants to play for the lakers. The same is not the case for the Dodgers, Kings, Rams, Galaxy, etc
No, they most likely make more but it's not so linear as to just take 13.3%-0% = 13.3% advantage. These guys aren't regular Joe Bloggins employees paying taxes at marginal rates. There is an advantage but I'm not going to get into try to quantify in the thread.FTR: LA was WAY WAY WAY better weather than Florida.
Florida has the best weather on the East Coast, but the West Coast isn't humid, doesn't have hurricanes, etc
Taxes were part of the OP's post and are absolutely a factor.
If LA offers someone 7 million and Florida does as well, the athlete would make 13.3 % more with Florida. That's $ 931,000
I am sorry, who is Hamilton? Do you mean Josh Hamilton the baseball player. From everything I know the Angels landed him by outbidding everyone else who did their homework and didn't realize that he had some substance abuse problems.
To be in the running and making offers are two different things. I know LA has made calls on the big free agents in the past and it hasn't gone well
Chara was not ever traded to Boston. he left Ottawa as a UFAWouldn't Kovalchuk and Chara not count, using the same logic as Karlsson? Sure they went to UFA technically, but Chara was traded to the Bruins and resigned with them
So with Tavares, a CA team lost out , again. Like the Kings did with CharaSharks basically had Tavares, if it wasn't for him wanting to go home.
Ducks biggest UFA signing besides Nieds was probably Fedorov in 03, about a year after he won the cup in Detroit.
The galaxy bought BeckhamThe Galaxy have immense clout in the MLS, they had no issues buying and keep Ibrahimovic and Beckham.
why not? It's absolutely a factor.No, they most likely make more but it's not so linear as to just take 13.3%-0% = 13.3% advantage. These guys aren't regular Joe Bloggins employees paying taxes at marginal rates. There is an advantage but I'm not going to get into try to quantify in the thread.
Maybe as a vacation destination, but as a long time LA fan I can tell you that the teams lose out on the big UFAs more often that not.Sorry, Lewis Hamilton. Not really comparable since F1 doesn't have teams in cities, but he spends a lot of time in LA and has several cars he's always seen in. My point was just that the whole LA scene is attractive to rich athletes.
I live here and love the place. I live closer to Anaheim than LA. But I have seen the challenges the Kings have faced over the yearsI'm sure we can go back and forth on individual players and trades and signings forever, but I always would have thought LA would be a top 5 destination, or rather the LA area, since that includes Anaheim. I just don't see LA qualifying a team that "suffers" because of it's city.
Where would you rank LA/Anaheim as destination's? I suppose we can agree to disagree.
#4 in the world in livability.
I agree Vancouver is a shithole.
Canadian cities players don’t want to play in-Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal
American cities players don’t want to play in-Arizona, Buffalo, Columbus
Taxes without big city advantage-NJ, NYI