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Mo Seider Less Problems
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Just try asking people where they got stuff from next time instead of jumping down their throats and saying they are wrong.
It will make for better conversation
Where will Mo go?
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Just try asking people where they got stuff from next time instead of jumping down their throats and saying they are wrong.
It will make for better conversation
Unfriendly Ghost
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I want him to go to the OHL, but I think he's going to Germany to play big minutes with Mannheim. As long as the coach will agree to use him on the PP on a regular basis, I'd be fine with that.
I think ending up in North America will be best for him. I really question the amount of influence the organization can have over Mannheim, and if I don’t have a virtual guarantee of Seider playing big minutes and offensive situations, I want him in NA.
The importance of Mo learning the North American ice surface and working on his offensive game in the OHL would be huge. If we decide he needs to continue playing against men, I’d prefer it be in Grand Rapids where he’s again learning the NA ice, and he’s closer to the player development staff and NHL organization for oversight and assistance in his growth and development.
The potential for Yzerman, Verbeek, and Horcoff/Cleary to make a quick 3 hour drive over to Van Andel would definitely be convenient.
The importance of Mo learning the North American ice surface and working on his offensive game in the OHL would be huge. If we decide he needs to continue playing against men, I’d prefer it be in Grand Rapids where he’s again learning the NA ice, and he’s closer to the player development staff and NHL organization for oversight and assistance in his growth and development.
The potential for Yzerman, Verbeek, and Horcoff/Cleary to make a quick 3 hour drive over to Van Andel would definitely be convenient.
FireBird71
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Still can't vote on this board.
I think he needs to play against men. We've got a ton of RD in Detroit and GR, so maybe one more year in Germany. Comes over to the AHL in March or whenever.
I think he needs to play against men. We've got a ton of RD in Detroit and GR, so maybe one more year in Germany. Comes over to the AHL in March or whenever.
HisNoodliness
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I went with Grand Rapids, but it's a pretty tough call. One thing worth mentioning is that I see quite a few comments talking about guaranteeing Seider ice time to develop offensively, and I personally think it's his defense that needs work most. Seider's offense is steady if unspectacular, he skates well to join the rush, passes the puck up ice well and can shoot. He's somewhat understated and safe in the offensive zone, but besides that and lacking elite hands, I think his offensive game is well developed.
Defensively though, he has coverage problems in his own zone. He puts himself out of position a lot more frequently than I'd like because of puck watching and chasing guys looking for hits he doesn't need to make. I'm not sure where is best for developing his defensive reads, discipline and positioning but that would be my priority more than offence honestly.
Defensively though, he has coverage problems in his own zone. He puts himself out of position a lot more frequently than I'd like because of puck watching and chasing guys looking for hits he doesn't need to make. I'm not sure where is best for developing his defensive reads, discipline and positioning but that would be my priority more than offence honestly.
Went with Germany, but with a caveat.
I think he will get every opportunity to bump someone off the blueline in GR. If he can, then he should stick there. If not, I think playing against men in the DEL will do him better than playing in juniors.
I think he will get every opportunity to bump someone off the blueline in GR. If he can, then he should stick there. If not, I think playing against men in the DEL will do him better than playing in juniors.
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I think let him percolate in Germany for another year, we should be bad again this year. Trade off for picks and prospects, small chance we can challenge for playoffs the following year. He will be seasoned in pro, maybe not North American pro, but I still think would be able to step and be regular in the line up.
Oddbob
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No the CHL is not crap, there is as reason the most talent comes from the CHL and that is because it is good for developing talent. This HF only thing of the CHL sucking is ridiculous.
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He'd get the most icetime in the OHL and the best chance to strengthen and refine his offensive game/quarterbacking a power play, so I hope that's where he plays (also would be able to see him for selfish reasons), but I expect him to play for Mannheim, mainly because of the logjam in GR. Hope he works his way up to the top or second pairing this season if he goes back to the DEL.
ShelbyZ
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I think it comes down to Kaski going somewhere where he's going to play as much hockey as possible
NHL - Would need to be playing every game and getting decent (like 15 minutes) ice time. Being a sheltered 3rd pairing option in the NHL probably won't do him any favors.
AHL - Depends on the depth on the roster. If someone that appears to be tabbed for GR at the moment ends up making the team and opens a spot in the AHL, and/or there's some long term injuries on the NHL club that open space in the AHL, then ho goes there. However, if Hronek is the only young D that starts in the NHL, and Hicketts, Lashoff, McIlrath, Cholowski, Kaski, Lindstrom and Saarijarvi all get sent down, Seider would need to be a pretty decent cut above a lot of those guys to ensure he gets regular and important ice time. If he's toiling around on the 3rd pairing, or rotating dressing with other guys, it's probably not the most ideal situation. I also doubt the Wings have much more "control" over Seider's ice time as some in this thread seem to imply if he goes to GR vs. back to Germany. Access to him for training and scouting is probably the biggest advantage. They can also still let him go to the WJC.
Germany - Is likely a regular fixture in Mannheim's line-up playing against adults. Maybe not as easy to get to for scouting and training, but it is 2019 and they've got lots of ways to keep up on that stuff without him being right around the corner...
CHL - Given his size and experience against "pro" competition, he likely gets a huge role, has a big season and likely sees a huge confidence boost before he transitions to the NA pro level the next year. Similar to Cholowski going from college to the CHL.
My money is on Germany or the CHL.
NHL - Would need to be playing every game and getting decent (like 15 minutes) ice time. Being a sheltered 3rd pairing option in the NHL probably won't do him any favors.
AHL - Depends on the depth on the roster. If someone that appears to be tabbed for GR at the moment ends up making the team and opens a spot in the AHL, and/or there's some long term injuries on the NHL club that open space in the AHL, then ho goes there. However, if Hronek is the only young D that starts in the NHL, and Hicketts, Lashoff, McIlrath, Cholowski, Kaski, Lindstrom and Saarijarvi all get sent down, Seider would need to be a pretty decent cut above a lot of those guys to ensure he gets regular and important ice time. If he's toiling around on the 3rd pairing, or rotating dressing with other guys, it's probably not the most ideal situation. I also doubt the Wings have much more "control" over Seider's ice time as some in this thread seem to imply if he goes to GR vs. back to Germany. Access to him for training and scouting is probably the biggest advantage. They can also still let him go to the WJC.
Germany - Is likely a regular fixture in Mannheim's line-up playing against adults. Maybe not as easy to get to for scouting and training, but it is 2019 and they've got lots of ways to keep up on that stuff without him being right around the corner...
CHL - Given his size and experience against "pro" competition, he likely gets a huge role, has a big season and likely sees a huge confidence boost before he transitions to the NA pro level the next year. Similar to Cholowski going from college to the CHL.
My money is on Germany or the CHL.
Kingpin794
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Looking at the list of defensemen, based on elite prospects listing for Grand Rapids, he’s certainly better Crawford, McCrea, D’Astous, (all of whom are probably ECHL bound), Saarijarvi, Lashoff, and Lindstrom. He shouldn’t have a hard time getting ice for the Griffins.
So realistically you could have something like:
McIlrath-Cholowski/Kaski
Seider-Hicketts
Lindstrom-Lashoff
Saarijarvi
Second pair with PP time, still playing against men and on NA ice. Seems like the ideal set up.
Looking at the list of defensemen, based on elite prospects listing for Grand Rapids, he’s certainly better Crawford, McCrea, D’Astous, (all of whom are probably ECHL bound), Saarijarvi, Lashoff, and Lindstrom. He shouldn’t have a hard time getting ice for the Griffins.
So realistically you could have something like:
McIlrath-Cholowski/Kaski
Seider-Hicketts
Lindstrom-Lashoff
Saarijarvi
Second pair with PP time, still playing against men and on NA ice. Seems like the ideal set up.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Only two options for Mo, Either he stays in Germany or Grand Rapids. I believe he stays home in Germany even though i suggested the AHL one.
lhsgolf19
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Selfishly I want Mo in AHL, so I can watch him play lol... But seriously I think he's going back overseas for 1 more year
To those who think the CHL is an option, it's not. Never has been.
Back from july:
They want him to keep playing against men.
I think he ends up in Grand Rapids.
Back from july:
They want him to keep playing against men.
I think he ends up in Grand Rapids.
They signed McIsaac at the beginning stages of last year and he played the entire season in Halifax.
Red Wings sign 2018 pick Jared McIsaac to entry-level deal - mlive.com
That tweet means absolutely nothing for where he ends up this year.
The tweet itself says "They’ll determine after training camp whether he should play another season in German league or with @griffinshockey" Now I don't think Ansar Khan makes the decisions, but that's what the poster was pointing out.
"Never was" is a pretty absolute statement that it isn't an option, when it probably should be. Khan might have been reporting on intel, maybe he is making an incorrect assumption, who knows.
It still is a possibility and probably one that should be considered, imo.
Lindstrom is the wildcard here. If seider comes into camp and is better than him they might keep him in Grand Rapids. Else, I don’t see them keeping him to play third pair.
Henkka
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Did some stat-watch for Mannheim about their last season stats and summer moves.
Adler Mannheim did win the German Championhip at last season. They also were 1st seed after regular season. So it's a really strong team.
Defence at Last season
Regular season Ice-Times:
1. LD Joonas Lehtivuori, 19:12 (41 games)
2. LD Sinan Akdag, 18:49 (52 games)
3. LD Mark Katic, 18:31 (51 games)
4. RD Thomas Larkin, 18:00 (33 games) (not related to Dylan Larkin)
5. LD Brendan Mikkelson, 16:48 (47 games)
6. RD Denis Reul, 16:42 (47 games)
7. RD Cody Lampl, 14:19 (34 games)
8. RD Moritz Seider, 12:13 (29 games)
9. LD/LW Janik Möser, 10:25 (23 games)
There was decent amount of injuries, so game amounts differed. 52 games was the maximum of regular season.
Playoff Ice-Times:
1. LD Joonas Lehtivuori, 20:06
2. RD Thomas Larkin, 18:52
3. LD Mark Katic, 18:37
4. LD Sinan Akdag, 18:28
5. RD Denis Reul, 18:08
6. LD Brendan Mikkelson 13:42
7. RD Moritz Seider, 11:49
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8. RD Cody Lampl, 8:51
9. LD Janik Möser, 0:00
I'm quite sure this was the defenceman roster at playoffs:
LD Katic - RD Larkin
LD Akdag - RD Reul
LD Lehtivuori - LD Mikkelson
RD Seider
I don't know anything what happened throughout their season. Haven't seen a single game. I'm just stat-watching and googled some news.
Basic starting point is, that they went all games with 7 defenceman, like the normal way in Europe is. (+13th forward)
It seemed that TOP4-guy Sinan Akdag did get injured at the finals and missed 2 playoff games on their run. All others of the playing 7 played full 14 games, including Seider. Cody Lampl did dress for 2 games at the playoffs (to replace Akdag for final 2 games), but got less IT than Seider.
After the Akdag injury they went:
LD Katic - RD Larkin
LD Lehtivuori - RD Reul
LD Mikkelson - RD Seider
RD Lampl
So that's a promising sign. Seider played less than Lampl during a regular season, but developed and started to get more role. And at playoffs, Seider was on the starting-7 and did play more in the finals when Lampl got his rare games.
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For becoming 2019-20 season, Brendan Mikkelson has left the team, and they have added two LDs on the team. Other one is former Grand Rapids Griffin Chad Billins who comes from stronger SEL Linköping and other is Uwe Krupp's son Björn Krupp. He is also LhD.
LD Katic - RD Larkin
LD Akdag - RD Reul
LD Lehtivuori - RD Seider
LD Billins - RD Lampl
LD Möser - LD Krupp
So they have now 10-man group. Billins was some kind of power-play specialist (?), so maybe they try to add another on their team. Krupp is nothing but defensive defenceman.
Krupp seems to be an extra add, maybe an incurance policy that they could preparing to be without Seider. There's one defenceman more than at last season's group. Or, it could just mean, that they want more depth because they are joining Champions Hockey league again at this year and play more games.
On that group, Seider should be their 3rd best RhD at least, if he already developed past Cody Lampl, like last season. Lampl is 33-years old not getting any younger. Their best RhD Thomas Larkin is in-prime player, but not very skilled. Seems to be good overall D. Another in-prime RhD Denis Reul is traditional tough defensive defenceman. I think these guys would not have real competition vs. Seider, if Moritz decides return to Mannheim.
I could see Seider battling toward a Top4 role, past Reul. Maybe starting from 3rd pair, but snapping 2nd pair role towards the playoffs.
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Henkka
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Tweet could not mean a thing, but guy who plays already against men does not need any season-long development time against juniors.
AHL vs. Mannheim pretty much 100% sure.
Germany also promoted to U20 first level for next 2020 tournament at Czech Republic, so he can get his junior games on that tournament at this season. Huge role against best of age class.
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