MurrayBannerman
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What's the range you're using for those number?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/explaining-win-values-part-three/
What's the range you're using for those number?
OK, so those are defensive values, correct? I'm not seeing what they have to do with this.
I'm not trying to be difficult or obtuse, I'm really not seeing the purpose of this in the context of this argument.
They're positional adjustments.
That’s why we prefer a defensive position adjustment. The position adjustment scale we use is as follows:
Historical?
Is this adjusted for defensive importance? Because the line above the chart you posted is,
Why do Japanese players come here late (mid 20s at the earliest)? Unlike Korean and Taiwanese-born players, who are signed by MLB teams as prospects in their reens or early 20s.
Just to be clear I think ichiro is a first ballot hofer. I was merely responding to the original question of where he ranks among active players.
Positional scarcity.
Cano being the best 2nd baseman of the past decade or so, doesn't mean he's better than 10th best outfielder, 5th best 3rd baseman, etc in the same time frame.
It's a constant based on positions played. Scroll down and you'll see the Utley example.
I'd gladly go to bat for Edmonds as well
He should be, but when I see guys like Bagwell, Hoffman, and Raines struggling to get in, I don't assume.
I find Edmonds' career very "meh." Great player who didn't excel in anything. Modest hit, 2B and HR total, modest BA, never led the league in anything, no MVP. He did win his share of Gold Gloves, which is nice, but not enough in totality.
ichiro is a whole tier above those guys
there's no doubt he's first ballot. with edmonds i kind of feel like his persona had something to do with him being one and done. he was never seen as a popular "clubhouse guy" and if anyone remembers his time in anaheim, he was all but vilified by the time he landed in STL. still total BS he fell off the ballot after one year though
You are criminally underrating Bagwell. He's one of the best 1B of all-time and has the individual hardware to back it up. He was a monster. Ichiro certainly isn't a tier above him.
Dude hit 393 home runs as a CF and his career OBP was .376 with an OPS of. 903 and OPS+ of 132 all to go along with 8 Gold Gloves. Like what in the hell are you even talking about man???
Not arguing for or against Edmonds, I just find arbitrary milestones rather pointless.