Sportsnet: When Seattle joins, and expansion draft happens, nhl says vegas doesnt give up any players

[AmericanDream]

why are people bitching about this for the love of God.

Vegas doesn't even have a full minor league team, they only have a few draft picks to add into their system, why in the hell would you allow anyone to gut a team that doesn't have the means of replacing the players yet??

Forget about the money they aren't getting, it is beyond insane to have Vegas have to protect some players when they didn't even hand out any of the contracts their players signed...

I swear to God people just have to bitch about everything on here..It is 100% fair, has been pretty much the precedent in years past, and I am sure Seattle will survive and land a solid team without Vegas...

 

[nbwingsfan]

In theory only. Some teams haven't drafted well and need all the help they can get. On the flip side your penalizing the teams that have drafted well. Also I don't agree with having to protect players with NMC.
On Vegas side they have acquired talent by some smart moves and good trades for the most part but don't forget the gifts either.
Also teams had no chance to prepare for Vegas entering the league do to short notice and new draft rules.

1. How can you say it's not fair for teams to have to protect their NMC? It's literally part of their contract that they have to choose to be moved?

2. Maybe those teams who haven't drafted well should, you know, learn how to draft? Let's reward them for being inept!

3. No chance to prepare? Teams knew this for an entire season.

4. Again, you're ignoring that the Owners chose this and Vegas isn't getting the $20M that every other team is getting for having to give up a player

 

[Newsworthy]

1. How can you say it's not fair for teams to have to protect their NMC? It's literally part of their contract that they have to choose to be moved?

2. Maybe those teams who haven't drafted well should, you know, learn how to draft? Let's reward them for being inept!

3. No chance to prepare? Teams knew this for an entire season.

4. Again, you're ignoring that the Owners chose this and Vegas isn't getting the $20M that every other team is getting for having to give up a player

1. Not true. NMC means just that. No reason to be forced to protect them. Just make players with no movement clauses exempt. This is a an unfair advantage in favor of Vegas in free agency. Vegas can hand out all the NMC they want knowing they don't have to worry about the Seattle expansion draft.

2. But let's instead reward a team that already has made the playoffs in their first year?
The expansion rules for teams like Arizona when they entered the league were a joke and when's the last time they made the playoffs?
3. An entire season is nothing. If they did this years in advance you wouldn't see all these NMC and free agent signings. Teams wold have more time to trade away players for picks instead having a gun to their head and pretty much forced to make lopsided trades.
4. Vegas doesn't deserve any $$$. They haven't created any revenue for the NHL like the rest of these teams already have.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

That's baloney...they fleeced a few teams and now get exempt from it.

 

[ColbyChaos]

That's baloney...they fleeced a few teams and now get exempt from it.

Blame those idiot teams. Not Vegas' fault Tallon took a massive L at the expasnion draft and Columbus wanted to get rid of Clarkson by throwing in Karlsson

 

[Maplebeasts]

Kinda sucks seeing that they're an elite team right now but it makes sense. I'm sure they'd much rather get the multi million dollar pay cheque than lose a scrub.

 

[nbwingsfan]

1. Not true. NMC means just that. No reason to be forced to protect them. Just make players with no movement clauses exempt. This is a an unfair advantage in favor of Vegas in free agency. Vegas can hand out all the NMC they want knowing they don't have to worry about the Seattle expansion draft.

2. But let's instead reward a team that already has made the playoffs in their first year?
The expansion rules for teams like Arizona when they entered the league were a joke and when's the last time they made the playoffs?
3. An entire season is nothing. If they did this years in advance you wouldn't see all these NMC and free agent signings. Teams wold have more time to trade away players for picks instead having a gun to their head and pretty much forced to make lopsided trades.
4. Vegas doesn't deserve any $$$. They haven't created any revenue for the NHL like the rest of these teams already have.

1. If teams didn't want to protect tgese players maybe they shouldn't give NMC to awful players?

2. Yes let's reward a team for doing something that's never been done before and fleecing some really bad Yes

3. A year is PLENTY of time? There were countless chances for teams to trade players as they needed to. Again, stop giving NMC to awful players if you don't actually want them?

4. Haven't done anything to deserve the money? They paid half a BILLION dollars to be part of the league. So they should be the only team who doesn't benefit in any kind of way with an expansion? They're also hurt even more because they wouldn't have had years and years to build a prospect pool.

 

[Newsworthy]

I wonder if there are rules restricting trades with Vegas after the season is over? Vegas getting excluded from the expansion draft gives other teams a second avenue to protect players from being picked. An existing team could trade their 8th forward to Vegas for a 3rd round pick and then once the expansion draft is over Vegas could trade the player back for a 2nd.

Excluding Vegas from the draft gives Vegas another chance to add assets due to the Seattle expansion draft. I think this gives Vegas an advantage directly at the expense of Seattle. The rest of the league gets a slight advantage to as they potentially get a team to play Seattle off against while negotiating player protection with Seattle.

NHL proves over and over how short sighted they are with respect to rules. Seattle should get better for their $650 M.

This would only make Vegas a stronger team and do nothing to help Seattle. I guess Bettman is betting on Vegas. The Vegas "Golden Child's".
Seattle will never have the same opportunity to build a team in that fashion.

 

[Grub]

In case the NHL haven't realized, half of the team are worst than Vegas.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Blame those idiot teams. Not Vegas' fault Tallon took a massive L at the expasnion draft and Columbus wanted to get rid of Clarkson by throwing in Karlsson

I counter that by stating it’s easy not to make mistakes when the choice is taken out of your hands

 

[Newsworthy]

Yep. Bettman isn't doing anything to help the bottom feeders only make Vegas a playoff team that much better.
It really boggles the mind. People keep missing that point. Right now Vegas prospect pool is better than quite a few established franchises.

 

[57special]

Would be interesting to see how many teams would opt out if it cost them 20M. I would bet not too many.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Would be interesting to see how many teams would opt out if it cost them 20M. I would bet not too many.

What do mean? Of course Vegas would always skip on $20M so they can keep Oscar Lindberg or Malcolm Subban! (According to people here).

 

[Newsworthy]

What do mean? Of course Vegas would always skip on $20M so they can keep Oscar Lindberg or Malcolm Subban! (According to people here).

How about if it costs them William Karlsson or Jonathan Marchessault?

 

[REALTALK81]

Game 7 of the WCF featuring Vegas and Seattle will be a little odd to see in 5 years. Creating a balanced team is easier all at once IMO. As much as I would like to see Quebec get their team back, we should be at the limit after Seattle. The league is getting diluted.

 

[nbwingsfan]

How about if it costs them William Karlsson or Jonathan Marchessault?

You REALLY think that wouldn't be the first people they would protect?

Just looking at their current roster if the draft were today:

Karlsson, Marchessault, Tatar, Smith, Haula, Eakin, Bellemare

Schmidt, Miller, Theodore

Fleury

That leaves such important all stars as Nosek, Lindberg, Carpenter, McNabb, Merrill, Hunt, Sbisa and Subban...

Even if they wanted to resign Perron and Neal to avoid UFA they'd now be forced to expose legends such as Eakin and Bellemare

Yeah, they'll take the $20M

 

[Schennanigans]

Why the f*** is the nhl still expanding. Move a team out that isn't getting support from fans.

 

[Matias Maccete]

1. Not true. NMC means just that. No reason to be forced to protect them. Just make players with no movement clauses exempt. This is a an unfair advantage in favor of Vegas in free agency. Vegas can hand out all the NMC they want knowing they don't have to worry about the Seattle expansion draft.

2. But let's instead reward a team that already has made the playoffs in their first year?
The expansion rules for teams like Arizona when they entered the league were a joke and when's the last time they made the playoffs?
3. An entire season is nothing. If they did this years in advance you wouldn't see all these NMC and free agent signings. Teams wold have more time to trade away players for picks instead having a gun to their head and pretty much forced to make lopsided trades.
4. Vegas doesn't deserve any $$$. They haven't created any revenue for the NHL like the rest of these teams already have.

Arizona wasn't expansion, the original Winnipeg Jets franchise moved here. Atlanta, who are now the Jets, seem like a better example, they got crap in the expansion draft IIRC.

 

[vanarchy]

Meh. They don't get paid from the Seattle expansion and they barely have a farm right now so why would we force them to already give up players?

 

[HanSolo]

How about if it costs them William Karlsson or Jonathan Marchessault?

If GMGM left those two unexposed he deserves to be tarred and feathered on the Vegas strip.

 

[Danish Pastry]

maybe its to protect players from getting drafted twice to an expansion team...

 

[Newsworthy]

You REALLY think that wouldn't be the first people they would protect?

Just looking at their current roster if the draft were today:

Karlsson, Marchessault, Tatar, Smith, Haula, Eakin, Bellemare

Schmidt, Miller, Theodore

Fleury

That leaves such important all stars as Nosek, Lindberg, Carpenter, McNabb, Merrill, Hunt, Sbisa and Subban...

Even if they wanted to resign Perron and Neal to avoid UFA they'd now be forced to expose legends such as Eakin and Bellemare

Yeah, they'll take the $20M [/QUOT
Totally missing my point.
No one predicted those guys would be this good. Just like Bettman failed to prepare for Vegas having this kind of success.
You have teams like Arizona, Buffalo, Montreal, and plenty others who are in worse shape then Vegas and cannot afford to lose the next Jon March or Wild Bill.
Other teams got off easy but some teams were hit hard.

 

[Newsworthy]

Totally missing my point.
No one predicted those guys would be this good just like Bettman failed to prepare for Vegas having this kind of success.
You have teams like Arizona, Buffalo, Montreal and plenty others who are in worse shape then Vegas and cannot afford to lose the next Jon March or Wild Bill.
Other teams got off easy but some where hit hard.

 

[Newsworthy]

Arizona wasn't expansion, the original Winnipeg Jets franchise moved here. Atlanta, who are now the Jets, seem like a better example, they got crap in the expansion draft IIRC.

Thank you for correcting me. And the Lightning, Panthers and Ducks and Sharks draft were nothing like Vegas.
At one time other than the original six every team was an expansion team save for those teams that moved.
And none of these teams had a team gifted to them.

 

[JLo217]

NHL just holding their hands a little more... officials do it too. why not just give them the next 4 cups too?