What's up with Tavares?

[SI90]

And people thought he was better than Giroux...lol

He is though. He’s been one of the best goal scoring centers since he’s come into the league.

 

[PAZ]

So most of the Islanders fans don't want to sign their Franchise center for over $10 mil... interesting.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

He does. There is nothing in his career to suggest to me he is that type of player. But when you are the best player on the team, and one of the NHL's best Centers. You got to lead the team. Not be outshone by a 20 year old rookie trying his best to will the Islanders into the playoffs.

Yeah what I said was harsh, which is why I deleted my post.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

So most of the Islanders fans don't want to sign their Franchise center for over $10 mil... interesting.

I mean, what's the point? We've never gone anywhere with him at $5.5M. How are we going any further with him making double?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Yeah what I said was harsh, which is why I deleted my post.

No problems, I understand the frustration after a game the Isles should have won.

 

[LordNeverLose]

I mean, what's the point? We've never gone anywhere with him at $5.5M. How are we going any further with him making double?

Well the argument would be we've never also had Barzal before. Having 2 franchise C's >>>> Having 1 franchise C

 

[Master P]

Nothing. He's par for the course so far.

 

[Sasso09]

You mean he's not?

Not even close

 

[Sasso09]

Well I mean for the last like 5 years before the last 20 or so games he was better than Giroux...

Never once in his career was he a better overall player

 

[Cotton]

Because I can’t stand their media hype train and [mod] think they’re the centre of the hockey universe and that every big name UFA wants to play there.

If it makes you feel better, many Leafs fans can’t stand the media either.

The hockey universe and hockey Mecca thing were bestowed by outsiders. Not something Toronto even started, though it’s true nonetheless.

Wanting every big UFA to play here is different than expecting it. Stamkos was a bad joke that only got serious because Stamkos himself egged it on. Tavares to Toronto isn’t even a thing outside of a few hopeful fans, I personally think he’s staying, but even if he doesn’t I don’t think Toronto is the right fit.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Never once in his career was he a better overall player

Higher career PPG
Higher career GPG
More top3 Hart finishes
Higher Selke voting peak
Everyone in this thread except Flyers fans seems to agree he's been better

Not really sure what the argument is for Giroux...

 

[severian]

Higher career PPG
Higher career GPG
More top3 Hart finishes
Higher Selke voting peak
Everyone in this thread except Flyers fans seems to agree he's been better

Not really sure what the argument is for Giroux...

Giroux is having a better season on a team that is going to make the playoffs.

 

[Master P]

I think the main issue is that fans seem to think he's this 90+ pt player when he's not. He's still fantastic but he's just not what people want him to be.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Giroux is having a better season on a team that is going to make the playoffs.

Like I said "up until the last 20 games or so"

A couple months ago JT was in most people's top3 for the Hart and the Isles were well above the Flyers

 

[LordNeverLose]

Nothing. He's par for the course so far.

If you watched him play the past month you wouldn't be saying that

 

[severian]

Like I said "up until the last 20 games or so"

A couple months ago JT was in most people's top3 for the Hart and the Isles were well above the Flyers

Their career numbers are pretty similar. Almost the exact same ppg. It's not like Tavares blows Giroux's numbers away.

 

[Master P]

If you watched him play the past month you wouldn't be saying that

lol true, I don't see him play that much so i'm only going off his point totals. Is he just snake bitten? Hurt? Maybe just being lazy?

 

[Section32]

Well the argument would be we've never also had Barzal before. Having 2 franchise C's >>>> Having 1 franchise C

Are you really going there?

Barzal has 65 NHL games played and you already consider him a franchise center?

You sound like the Oiler fan that thinks Crosby and McDavid are the only two generational players of the past 15 years- not only ignoring the other greats but having no issue considering McDavid to have already achieved such rare status.

I am first to admit that the Kid looks like the real deal. But I beg you to wait a couple of more years before making such silly comments. If he were taken 1st overall, that might have changed my thinking a little. But a lot of "experts" failed to see the genius through the trees.

I will want to see this done for a little bit more time.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Are you really going there?

Barzal has 65 NHL games played and you already consider him a franchise center?

You sound like the Oiler fan that thinks Crosby and McDavid are the only two generational players of the past 15 years- not only ignoring the other greats but having no issue considering McDavid to have already achieved such rare status.

I am first to admit that the Kid looks like the real deal. But I beg you to wait a couple of more years before making such silly comments. If he were taken 1st overall, that might have changed my thinking a little. But a lot of "experts" failed to see the genius through the trees.

I still think he is the real deal. But will want to see this done for a little bit more time.

I consider Matthews, Barkov, Eichel, etc. all franchise C's as well. Do you disagree with that or do you not think he's on their level?

 

[Theo Von]

Last 25 games:

9 goals
6 assists
15 points
-9

Before the new year: 1.25 ppg
After the new year (last 25 games): 0.60 ppg

Yikes.

 

[Newsworthy]

I think the main issue is that fans seem to think he's this 90+ pt player when he's not. He's still fantastic but he's just not what people want him to be.[/QUote/]


Do you know how many players scored 90 plus points in the last 7-10 years? Most fans seem to be frustrated that he doesn't score enough.
But even just last year you have only McDavid and Crosby reaching that feat. And this year the scoring is up league wide but you can count on one hand how many players have a shot 90.
Giroux has done it once in his career back in 2011.
Kane and Backstrom have also done it only once.
Malkin hasnt had 90 points in like 7 years.
Same with Ovechkin and Stamkos. Benn, Draisatl, Hall, Kucherov, Tarasenko, Barkov, Gaudreau, Seguin, Eichel, Mathews Kessel Toews, Bergeron, Marchand, also have never had a 90 point season.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Fair enough, but if they aren’t keeping him they needed to trade him.

Something > nothing

Not helping some team for cheap as they lowball you is only the way to go if you love doing favors and being a lowballed doormat for the rest of your career.

People respect people who stand up for themselves and tell lowballers to go blow it out their asses.

 

[DopeyFish]

It's not fair to blame Tavares for the struggles of NYI just like it wasn't fair to blame Kessel for the Leafs' struggles.

Never got the right supporting cast. You expect him to do everything because up until this point he's done everything. When the team starts failing it's because he's unable to play like a madman.

 

[Newsworthy]

How many players have scored 90 plus points in the last 7-10 years?

 

[AvroArrow]

Because I can’t stand their media hype train and [mod] think they’re the centre of the hockey universe and that every big name UFA wants to play there.

Send him to the land of first overall picks