Bear in the Woods
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Unfortunately everything goes back to COVID in terms of what’s going to happen at camps, and so on.I thought this thread was about "What's happening at Camps"?
How are these businesses not operating inside the parameters?If a business does not feel comfortable operating inside the parameters set put by the Government, they can close up shop, take their ball, and go home.
What's wrong with the receipts the MOH is already issuing? You get a hard copy when you receive the vaccination and an electronic copy emailed to you. What am I missing here?
Here's the thing, about 10-15% of the population is neurotic about getting the vaccine, and won't get it. Another 10-15% are neurotic about getting it and won't deal with anyone who hasn't been vaccinated, and trying to impose their will on others. That leaves approximately 70% of the population who is vaccinated and truly doesn't care one way or the other. If any of these facilities can maintain 70% capacity in the next 3 months they will be thrilled. See you at the rink!Here’s a link to an interesting article suggesting sports teams could lose sponsor money — and paying customers at the gate — if they aren’t seen to be supporting public health initiatives.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sask...-money-fans-if-no-vaccine-passports-1.6154973
Here's the thing, about 10-15% of the population is neurotic about getting the vaccine, and won't get it. Another 10-15% are neurotic about getting it and won't deal with anyone who hasn't been vaccinated, and trying to impose their will on others. That leaves approximately 70% of the population who is vaccinated and truly doesn't care one way or the other. If any of these facilities can maintain 70% capacity in the next 3 months they will be thrilled. See you at the rink!
Completely ignoring the facts of what's happening in B.C.Good post. The pushing of the unvaccinated is only going to get them to dig their heels in more. From ridiculous fear mongering headlines of news outlets to still seeing cases with the vaccinated people. I can completely understand why individuals won't get the shot. Not to mention when I see doctors saying they want over 100% of individuals to get the shot (how is that possible)? I am not interested in putting my concerns or choices onto other people. Live the way that you choose to live it.
Looking at the big picture not just the 10-15% that suits my agenda.Completely ignoring the facts of what's happening in B.C.
Which doctor said they wanted over 100%?Good post. The pushing of the unvaccinated is only going to get them to dig their heels in more. From ridiculous fear mongering headlines of news outlets to still seeing cases with the vaccinated people. I can completely understand why individuals won't get the shot. Not to mention when I see doctors saying they want over 100% of individuals to get the shot (how is that possible)? I am not interested in putting my concerns or choices onto other people. Live the way that you choose to live it.
Which doctor said they wanted over 100%?
I don't like putting my choices on others, either. They should have a right to choose. But for 1.5 years i have watched lockdown after lockdown as our ICUs have filled up. It is not the vaccinated filling up our ICUs, it is the unvaccinated. My children's right to attend school in-person trumps the unvaccinated's right to non essential businesses. So while I respect an individual's right to choose, I fully support mandatory vaccinations for non essential places of business, and a vaccine passport to go along with it. I feel that it is our best chance to get back to a mostly open economy without these recurring lockdowns.
I am strongly against forcing individuals to get vaccinated. But for those that choose not to, I support proactively shutting non essential businesses to them (through mandatory vaccination requirements), rather than reactively shutting non essential businesses for everybody (lockdowns).
How are these businesses not operating inside the parameters?
Now if businesses were operating without the mask mandate, that would be outside the parameters. If a business says to me you must put on a new mask every hour or leave, that is above and beyond the governments requirements, but it's their prerogative to have that policy and completely within the bounds of the Government's parameters.
The government dictates the hours a bar is allowed to open. But if I want to close my bar at 9pm, that is completely within the bounds of the Government's parameters.
No shoes, no shirt, no service is another example that certain businesses have a policy for, completely within the bounds.
I think it's barbaric what's happening in some states with governers trying to ban businesses from having a masking requirement. It sounds like you are suggesting something similar here, wanting our government to ban vaccine requirements. No thanks. If the government refuses to implement a vaccine passport, some businesses will set their own policies as they always have, and customers can vote with their pocketbooks.
So it's not actually from Public Health's website, it's a news story that quite possibly got the quote wrongSorry it was an official from Ontario Public Health.
'Herd immunity' no longer possible without vaccinating young children, Public Health Ontario says
“The critical threshold for vaccination is now estimated to be at least 90 per cent of the Ontario population, and over 100 per cent of the vaccine-eligible population,” Public Health Ontario says.
When you get over 100% of the vaccine eligible population let me know......
They are saying that we can't reach herd immunity even if everyone currently eligible is fully vaccinated.
Finally - thank goodness.
15% is only a useful estimation if we do exactly what we did last winter. No OHL. NHL bubble. No GTHL. No travel hockey. Max of 50 fans in the arena in the places that do run hockey. Reduced class sizes in schools. Lockdown in January. Another lockdown in April. This can not be the goal. The goal is to be much more open than that (at least if you are vaccinated). There will be more opportunity for spread. Plus i think you are underestimating the additional transmissability of Delta. The 15% math simply doesn't work.
The government is not going to legislate against mandatory vaccinations. It helps the government reach their covid goals without any of the political backlash for doing it themselves. Why would they want to stop this? It helps the rest of the economy stay open, why would we want to stop this?