Speculation: What was LA trading to Montreal now that we see what they got from Vegas

[Baksfamous112]

I am remember a tweet by mackenzie or dregger someone along those s line saying something to the effect that king made a deal Friday night contingent on him resigning and it was under a time restriction because of a pic in the next round

This article (https://www.tsn.ca/draft-day-deal-to-send-pacioretty-to-kings-fell-through-1.1122333) says: “Whatever we had on the table before…’ Let’s assume that you could get a contract done now. I don’t think they can retroactively go back and say, ‘We’ll just revive the deal we had on the table Friday night,’ because a lot of the pieces no longer apply, or some of the pieces no longer apply.

Best guess is included L.A’s first round pick as part of the deal.

 

[Baksfamous112]

The difference in value between Muzzin a top pairing defenseman and Patches is not a 1st and a mid prospect so Hell no to that.

Now toffoli is a right wing why would la trade there best right wing for a left wing who would be behind Kolvo on the depth chart. Also The difference between Toffoli and Patches is not Our best defensive prospect and a 2nd

Imo dolan anderson and a 2nd was the offer You all may not like it but it would be closer as the kings are in a win now why would they give up someone from the roster

That is so far off Bergevin’s ask. I remember at the deadline the price asked was a top prospect (Suzuki), a younger goal scorer (Tatar) and a high draft pick (2nd rounder).

Dolan-Anderson isn’t even a top prospect. 2nd is fine and you’re still missing top 4 LHD/younger scorer

 

[KingCanadain1976]

That is so far off Bergevin’s ask. I remember at the deadline the price asked was a top prospect (Suzuki), a younger goal scorer (Tatar) and a high draft pick (2nd rounder).

Dolan-Anderson isn’t even a top prospect. 2nd is fine and you’re still missing top 4 LHD/younger scorer

just because vegas paid what they paid doesn't mean la would So let not try and think different

 

[Baksfamous112]

just because vegas paid what they paid doesn't mean la would So let not try and think different

That’s where you’re wrong. Bergevin set a price at the deadline and would not go below that. He held on Pacioretty at the TDL because no one was prepared to pay the price. A deal was made with L.A at the draft (and with Detroit somewhere in the summer) but Pacioretty refused both contract extentions (6x6).

Vegas also met Bergevin’s price and was able to agree to an extention (7x4) with Patches. That is the only reason Patches is in Vegas now and not L.A.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

ok back to the "offers" you think happened both toffoli and muzzin are not far off Patches in one for one Let s not try and dismiss patches down year last year. Next lets talk about toffoli. He is a right winger and the kings have no replacement for him in the top 6 So to even mention him is delusional However the difference between him and Patches is not as much as u think Comparing him to tartar is comparing apples to oranges as Tartar would not put up the same point in la as he did else where I wish people would realize la is the best team defensively in the nhl last year and players have to sacrifice points to play this style Also Toffoli plays on the nhl best pk something patches cant say.

As for muzzin he would be a top pairing defenseman in Montreal and they have more value then a 17 goal 20 assist - 16 winger So sorry to say no they wouldn't match that sorta offer
The kings are looking to add to a roster to compete this year Losing either one of muzzin or toffoli would be countering this. Pieces i see in deal dolan anderson a 2nd maybe Amadio or brodzinski

 

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I think looking at all the info we have, the best assumption is JAD, LAs 1st, and a roster veteran.

 

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just because vegas paid what they paid doesn't mean la would So let not try and think different

I think you can assume it was a comparable package. MB clearly was holding out for a good return and wouldn't have pulled the trigger unless he felt it was the best he would get.

 

[Baksfamous112]

ok back to the "offers" you think happened both toffoli and muzzin are not far off Patches in one for one Let s not try and dismiss patches down year last year. Next lets talk about toffoli. He is a right winger and the kings have no replacement for him in the top 6 So to even mention him is delusional However the difference between him and Patches is not as much as u think Comparing him to tartar is comparing apples to oranges as Tartar would not put up the same point in la as he did else where I wish people would realize la is the best team defensively in the nhl last year and players have to sacrifice points to play this style Also Toffoli plays on the nhl best pk something patches cant say.

As for muzzin he would be a top pairing defenseman in Montreal and they have more value then a 17 goal 20 assist - 16 winger So sorry to say no they wouldn't match that sorta offer
The kings are looking to add to a roster to compete this year Losing either one of muzzin or toffoli would be countering this. Pieces i see in deal dolan anderson a 2nd maybe Amadio or brodzinski

Sorry if I hurt your feelings but aside from Tatar’s last ~25 games, his age/carreer production is as close as it gets to Toffoli’s so these two are a wash (or close to be).

So depending on who the prospect coming back is (Clague/Dolan-Anderson), a high (1st or 2nd) draft pick would also be included.

No matter how you twist it, Bergevin set a price at the TDL and he got exactly what he wanted so I doubt he would’ve accepted less from L.A just because it fits your agenda.

Maybe you would’ve hated the trade and that’s ok but to think Bergevin would’ve accepted less is simply wishful thinking.

That being said, maybe Muzzin + Dolan-Anderson + 2nd would’ve fit L.A needs a bit more than Toffoli + Clague + 2nd. The facts remains that there’s no chance that Bergevin would have settled for Dolan-Anderson + 2nd + throw in prospect

 

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Bergevin said from the beginning he was looking for an A prospect, a roster veteran, and a high pick.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I think you can assume it was a comparable package. MB clearly was holding out for a good return and wouldn't have pulled the trigger unless he felt it was the best he would get.

which is fair to say i just don't see toffoli valiardi or muzzin being main pieces

 

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which is fair to say i just don't see toffoli valiardi or muzzin being main pieces

I think JAD was the prospect. I love Villardi, but his back issues are damn scary to be the main piece back. We pretty much know there was a 1st rounder coming back. In terms of the veteran roster piece, who knows.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Sorry if I hurt your feelings but aside from Tatar’s last ~25 games, his age/carreer production is as close as it gets to Toffoli’s so these two are a wash (or close to be).

So depending on who the prospect coming back is (Clague/Dolan-Anderson), a high (1st or 2nd) draft pick would also be included.

No matter how you twist it, Bergevin set a price at the TDL and he got exactly what he wanted so I doubt he would’ve accepted less from L.A just because it fits your agenda.

Maybe you would’ve hated the trade and that’s ok but to think Bergevin would’ve accepted less is simply wishful thinking.

That being said, maybe Muzzin + Dolan-Anderson + 2nd would’ve fit L.A needs a bit more than Toffoli + Clague + 2nd. The facts remains that there’s no chance that Bergevin would have settled for Dolan-Anderson + 2nd + throw in prospect

I hate to hurt your feeling but red wings don't play the same style as the kings and he would not score close to the same on the kings How hard is it to realize scoring is going to be down on a team that plays defense first hockey seriously

Spin it however u want but you wouldn't have got much more then just muzzin maybe a 2nd

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Bergevin said from the beginning he was looking for an A prospect, a roster veteran, and a high pick.

In any bargin situation u ask for the moon and settle some where less

 

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In any bargin situation u ask for the moon and settle some where less

But we clearly weren't settling.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Suzuki isn’t a B level prospect, Tatar is not a permanent healthy scratch. I still consider him a 2nd liner

Like Rene Bourque was too...

Suzuki certainly is not a A level prospect.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I think JAD was the prospect. I love Villardi, but his back issues are damn scary to be the main piece back. We pretty much know there was a 1st rounder coming back. In terms of the veteran roster piece, who knows.

Okay veteran roster piece sounds like Clifford to me I wouldn't like it but i would agree to it 2nd jad and clifford ( again the rumor come out the kings reached a deal on Friday Night which is after the first round was done)

 

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Like Rene Bourque.

Suzuki certainly is not a A level prospect.

lol he absolutely is.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

But we clearly weren't settling.

if u consider Tartar not settling then happy for u

 

[Chr1s97]

ok back to the "offers" you think happened both toffoli and muzzin are not far off Patches in one for one Let s not try and dismiss patches down year last year. Next lets talk about toffoli. He is a right winger and the kings have no replacement for him in the top 6 So to even mention him is delusional However the difference between him and Patches is not as much as u think

What you're telling me ? That Toffoli worth almost as much as Patches ? That Toffoli is almost as good as Patches ? That Toffoli is as much consistent as Patches ?

Toffoli is WAY closer to tatar for a comparaison then he is to Patches

 

[Baksfamous112]

In any bargin situation u ask for the moon and settle some where less

But we weren’t settling. We got exactly what we asked; younger scorer, A prospect, high draft pick

But we clearly weren't settling.

Exactly

if u consider Tartar not settling then happy for u

He still scored 20G on a down year last year.

 

[YP44]

Bergevin said from the beginning he was looking for an A prospect, a roster veteran, and a high pick.

I agree with this. And am leaning to Tanner Pearson being the roster player.

 

[YP44]

Okay veteran roster piece sounds like Clifford to me I wouldn't like it but i would agree to it 2nd jad and clifford ( again the rumor come out the kings reached a deal on Friday Night which is after the first round was done)

I thought it was pretty understood the deal was for a first. Maybe the rumor came out after the deal was off the table.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

What you're telling me ? That Toffoli worth almost as much as Patches ? That Toffoli is almost as good as Patches ? That Toffoli is as much consistent as Patches ?

Toffoli is WAY closer to tatar for a comparaison then he is to Patches

Patches 17 goal 20 assists 37 points -16
Toffoli 24 goals 23 assists 47 points plus 9 in a season without carter to play with What Patches has done in the past is just that in the past. Can he rebound sure but going forward i would much rather take the kid who has scored 30 goals in la defensive system

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I thought it was pretty understood the deal was for a first. Maybe the rumor came out after the deal was off the table.

I read a tweet that the deal was done friday night which was after the draft so the 2018 first was over with already no could the person we drafted be apart of it sure or 2019 pick maybe

 

[Chr1s97]

Patches 17 goal 20 assists 37 points -16
Toffoli 24 goals 23 assists 47 points plus 9 in a season without carter to play with What Patches has done in the past is just that in the past. Can he rebound sure but going forward i would much rather take the kid who has scored 30 goals in la defensive system

Hahah ok bro you're right.