Speculation: What was LA trading to Montreal now that we see what they got from Vegas

[TT1]

Wasn't it rumours to be a 1st, JAD and a roster player that's a cap dump ? Clifford ?

That's way worse than what we got tho, why would we do that? If the package doesn't have Vilardi i would have wanted JAD + Clague + 2nd + dump.

 

[fsanford]

Vilardi is probably better projected for the NHL right now, no doubt about that. He's ahead of Suzuki but not because Suzuki wasn't the Knights' top prospect, that's stupid to say. Glass and Suzuki are both great prospects and Glass really isn't that far ahead of Suzuki.

I'm glad the habs went with Suzuki + Tatar + 2nd over Toffoli + late 1st if that was in fact the offer.

It wasn't what Habs went with, it was dictated by they fact Patches balked at the extension Kings offered. And unlike Vegas , LA was not willing to give up a lot for a 1 year rental. Blake saw how the Lucic debacle went.

 

[Telos]

LA has denied that Vilardi was ever in play for Patches. Regardless, it didn't happen and LA has Kovalchuk to thank for the save. In the end, does it matter? The deals are done. What could have been isn't going to change what is.

 

[Dbrownss]

Yes 100% Vilardi was involved, especially considering that was the 1st deal they accepted. Tbh there's not much gap between Vilardi and Suzuki, Vilardi is slightly the better prospect right now but i think Suzuki's game can transition better to the NHL.

I really loved both Suzuki and Vilardi in their draft year.

I havnt seen anything to suggest they guy were close in value....

 

[TT1]

I havnt seen anything to suggest they guy were close in value....

? Vilardi was the #11 pick in 2017 and Suzuki was #13, they're both coming off good seasons. Vilardi is the more prototypical center (he's big but does have skating issues) but Suzuki's game is more suited for todays game.

 

[Dbrownss]

? Vilardi was the #11 pick in 2017 and Suzuki was #13, they're both coming off good seasons. Vilardi is the more prototypical center (he's big but does have skating issues) but Suzuki's game is more suited for todays game.

Ok, but I still havnt seen anything that has them close to each other post draft.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Ok, but I still havnt seen anything that has them close to each other post draft.

Vilardi is clearly the more talented of the two. However, his reccurent back issues at such a young age is a huge red flag and clearly affects him (and his skating too, I suppose). There could be a case made where some would pick Suzuki over him for that.

 

[Starat327]

To be fair, he did said yes to a deal but it fell apart when Pacioretty refused L.A’s extention.

I too believe Vilardi was not involved (see my post above when I mention was I believe was one of the two possible deals - Similar value to what he got from Vegas).

In the end, we will never know if Vilardi was included or not. Chances are he wasn’t but it still and will remain speculation. Only a handful of people knows for real.

i worded that poorly - i apologize.

Deal was done, that much we know. I would be utterly shocked if Vilardi was involved, and if he was, the other pieces wouldnt have mattered to Bergevin. As soon as Rob said "Vil.." Bergevin wouldve said no take backs. the word out of LA is that Vilardi is pretty much the most untouchable asset owned.

 

[Baksfamous112]

i worded that poorly - i apologize.

Deal was done, that much we know. I would be utterly shocked if Vilardi was involved, and if he was, the other pieces wouldnt have mattered to Bergevin. As soon as Rob said "Vil.." Bergevin wouldve said no take backs. the word out of LA is that Vilardi is pretty much the most untouchable asset owned.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[Dbrownss]

Vilardi is clearly the more talented of the two. However, his reccurent back issues at such a young age is a huge red flag and clearly affects him (and his skating too, I suppose). There could be a case made where some would pick Suzuki over him for that.

That is a factor. One that I would agree with actually given Viliardi is injured alreadt. At the time of the potential trade though, he was healthy.

 

[YP44]

That's way worse than what we got tho, why would we do that? If the package doesn't have Vilardi i would have wanted JAD + Clague + 2nd + dump.

Depends who Montreal valued with the kings first at the draft.

 

[Baksfamous112]

That is a factor. One that I would agree with actually given Viliardi is injured alreadt. At the time of the potential trade though, he was healthy.

He already had back issues at the time and it was well document. He was in fact healthy at the time (draft) but the question marks were already there. Having back issues again just amplifies the question marks.

Back problems isn’t something you can easily get rid of. Knee, shoulder issues are easier to deal with because a surgery fix the problem most of the time.

Hopefully it turns out ok for the kid. not only for his NHL carreer but also for his every day life. Back issues at such a young age is scary and should be taken very seriously.

 

[Baksfamous112]

That is a factor. One that I would agree with actually given Viliardi is injured alreadt. At the time of the potential trade though, he was healthy.

Oh and also the fact that the next big trade was mostly going to be the judge and jury for Bergevin’s carreer as a GM, I think it’s safe to say he’s probably happier than he got a safer return (less talented Suzuki vs more talented but with a question mark Vilardi).

If Vilardi was traded to Montreal at the draft (let’s just assume he was part of the deal) and we hear two months later that Vilardi’s back issue is still a problem, he would’ve been flamed by the media, fans and most likely the rest of the league.

If I’m Bergevin today and I have to make a deal that either save my carreer or ends it, I have to go with the safer but less talented Suzuki (although still a A prospect) over the possible home run/strike out prospect.

For the record, I think Vilardi “skating issues” are more related to his back issues than anything else and I believe out of all the top C prospects right now (Necas, Thomas, Borgstrom, Kotkaniemi, Suzuki) he’s the more talented of the bunch

 

[Dbrownss]

Oh and also the fact that the next big trade was mostly going to be the judge and jury for Bergevin’s carreer as a GM, I think it’s safe to say he’s probably happier than he got a safer return (less talented Suzuki vs more talented but with a question mark Vilardi).

If Vilardi was traded to Montreal at the draft (let’s just assume he was part of the deal) and we hear two months later that Vilardi’s back issue is still a problem, he would’ve been flamed by the media, fans and most likely the rest of the league.

If I’m Bergevin today and I have to make a deal that either save my carreer or ends it, I have to go with the safer but less talented Suzuki (although still a A prospect) over the possible home run/strike out prospect.

For the record, I think Vilardi “skating issues” are more related to his back issues than anything else and I believe out of all the top C prospects right now (Necas, Thomas, Borgstrom, Kotkaniemi, Suzuki) he’s the more talented of the bunch

I think he got an outstanding return regardless of the situations

 

[KopitarFAN]

I would be confident in saying it was Anderson-Dolan, 2018 1st and something else, didn't have to be a roster player because the Kovalchuk hadn't happened yet, so the cap was not an issue.

 

[Little Psycho]

Please don’t remind us of his existence.

He was on our top line with Kopitar FOR YEARS.

 

[Little Psycho]

LA has denied that Vilardi was ever in play for Patches. Regardless, it didn't happen and LA has Kovalchuk to thank for the save. In the end, does it matter? The deals are done. What could have been isn't going to change what is.

Yup, it was mentioned a few times by the LA beat writers.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Suzuki is an undersized b prospect.
Toffoli would not have been a healthy scratch for Vegas like Tatar.

If anything, we can conclude neither Vilardi nor Toffoli was involved but somehow the OP is trying hard.

More likely two assets from Clague, JAD, 1st, 2nd. Thats similar to Suzuki, Tatar, 2nd.

Amen

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

Im just wondering where all these sources came from all the sudden saying the 100% Kings offered Vilardi?

My guess is JAD+1st

 

[Stumbling Jack]

Suzuki is an undersized b prospect.
Toffoli would not have been a healthy scratch for Vegas like Tatar.

If anything, we can conclude neither Vilardi nor Toffoli was involved but somehow the OP is trying hard.

More likely two assets from Clague, JAD, 1st, 2nd. Thats similar to Suzuki, Tatar, 2nd.

Amen

Agreed. It's been said from Blake and other office reps Vilardi was NOT getting moved. Vilardi is the best C they've had in the farm since Kopitar and the Kings will not have the luxury to take on a high paid FA center for a long time. Recent history has shown w/ the Kings success that besides their stubborn defense and goaltending, having the 1-2 punch down the middle is critical.

The only way Blake moves Vilardi would be him as the center piece for an upgrade at C (see the DL trade Schenn and Simmonds for Richards).

 

[Kingsfan1]

It wasn’t for the Kings first the rumor was JAD + 2nd + Martinez/Muzzin supposedly

 

[Kingsfan1]

But now JAD is being praised to make the Kings lineup opening day so happy the deal didn’t go through . If we get Voynov back I think one of Martinez or Muzzin is going to be moved

 

[Bandit]

So even after he's traded and signed an extension with his new team, we have to hear about how LA was going to trade Vilardi for him. Neat.

 

[scrubadam]

Probably a 1st, Muzzin and then one of LA's prospects. Then I think MTL trades for ROR.

Why didn't Max accept 6x6 if he took 4x7 to play in Vegas. Thats the head scratcher for me.

 

[kings11]

Vilardi was clearly a piece in the deal --- and Toffoli was rumored.

What do you guys think was on the table, given the return Montreal just managed.

Vilardi was never in the deal or any deal. The rumored offer was 2018 1st, JAD & Muzzin