Speculation: What was LA trading to Montreal now that we see what they got from Vegas

[Mackiaveli]

Vilardi was clearly a piece in the deal --- and Toffoli was rumored.

What do you guys think was on the table, given the return Montreal just managed.

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[ImNeverWrong]

i don't think vilardi was involved. toffoli is a younger version of pacioretty. maybe a 1st plus toffoli.

 

[BatVader]

What’s the point in starting a thread that is destined for arguments, over a “what could have been” topic that is irrelevant now.

 

[MMC]

i don't think vilardi was involved. toffoli is a younger version of pacioretty. maybe a 1st plus toffoli.

Despite your username I think you might be wrong here

 

[Balthazar]

Their 1st pick was involved, which is why they had 30 minutes to complete the trade.

 

[ImNeverWrong]

Despite your username I think you might be wrong here

how? vilardi is considered to be a top 10 prospect. suzuki is not. toffoli is a young 30 goal scorer.

 

[MMC]

how? vilardi is considered to be a top 10 prospect. suzuki is not. toffoli is a young 30 goal scorer.

He scored 30 goals once 3 seasons ago

 

[Mackiaveli]

how? vilardi is considered to be a top 10 prospect. suzuki is not. toffoli is a young 30 goal scorer.

What?

Vilardi is bigger, and was drafted two spots ahead of Suzuki --- they were VERY close in PPG this season in the same league (OHL)

Not saying Vilardi isn't better, but he's definitely not WAY better.

My guess is Vilardi + 2018 1st was the deal at the table.

 

[boredmale]

i don't think vilardi was involved. toffoli is a younger version of pacioretty. maybe a 1st plus toffoli.

I don't get why LA would trade Toffili. In his day I would say Patches is better but I would bet on 4 years of Toffili being better then what Patches contract is

 

[ImNeverWrong]

He scored 30 goals once 3 seasons ago

OP says toffoli was part of the deal, what do you add for one season of pacioretty. still trying to figure on what part i'm wrong about. is a 1st round pick not enough? do you not value toffoli at all? quite frankly toffoli is worth much more than tatar...and vilardi imo is a better prospect than suzuki.

 

[ImNeverWrong]

I don't get why LA would trade Toffili. In his day I would say Patches is better but I would bet on 4 years of Toffili being better then what Patches contract is

maybe, but pacioretty has had a much better career than toffoli and there's only 3 years separating the two.

 

[Boxscore]

Just speculation, but I think the Habs were expecting a similar return as they received from Vegas. I'd guess...

Toffoli (slightly better than Tatar)
Clague (equal to Suzuki, considering the Habs are looking for young D)

 

[kilowatt]

Vilardi was not involved in the trade.

 

[Fishhead]

What?

Vilardi is bigger, and was drafted two spots ahead of Suzuki --- they were VERY close in PPG this season in the same league (OHL)

Not saying Vilardi isn't better, but he's definitely not WAY better.

My guess is Vilardi + 2018 1st was the deal at the table.

1.81 and 1.56 are not really close in ppg, especially when Vilardi was still recovering from an injury when he put up those points.

And no way do the Kings trade Vilardi AND a first anyways. Absolutely no way. They need those cheap contracts to avoid trading core pieces as it is. Kovalchuk at 6.25 leaves them with about $2M in cap space, with Doughty's cap hit jumping $4M next year and 4 RFAs. Any trade for Patches would have needed salary going the other way, which is why only Toffoli or Pearson would make sense for the Kings.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Vilardi is seen as a considerably better prospect than Suzuki, and is easily the best prospect in the Kings' system, which is something Suzuki is not for Vegas.

As some have guessed, I too think that Toffoli and the 20th overall pick were involved.

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

Doubt that Toffoli was involved.
Likely 20 + Anderson-Dolan

 

[ottawa]

Vilardi is seen as a considerably better prospect than Suzuki, and is easily the best prospect in the Kings' system, which is something Suzuki is not for Vegas.

As some have guessed, I too think that Toffoli and the 20th overall pick were involved.

Vilardi is probably better projected for the NHL right now, no doubt about that. He's ahead of Suzuki but not because Suzuki wasn't the Knights' top prospect, that's stupid to say. Glass and Suzuki are both great prospects and Glass really isn't that far ahead of Suzuki.

I'm glad the habs went with Suzuki + Tatar + 2nd over Toffoli + late 1st if that was in fact the offer.

 

[Hostile Offer]

OP says toffoli was part of the deal, what do you add for one season of pacioretty. still trying to figure on what part i'm wrong about. is a 1st round pick not enough? do you not value toffoli at all? quite frankly toffoli is worth much more than tatar...and vilardi imo is a better prospect than suzuki.

I don't see why though.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Vilardi is probably better projected for the NHL right now, no doubt about that. He's ahead of Suzuki but not because Suzuki wasn't the Knights' top prospect, that's stupid to say. Glass and Suzuki are both great prospects and Glass really isn't that far ahead of Suzuki.

I'm glad the habs went with Suzuki + Tatar + 2nd over Toffoli + late 1st if that was in fact the offer.

I think they would be fairly comparable returns. The way I see it is Toffoli = Tatar + 2nd, roughly, and Suzuki slightly > 20th overall pick in a deep draft.

 

[ottawa]

I think they would be fairly comparable returns. The way I see it is Toffoli = Tatar + 2nd, roughly, and Suzuki slightly > 20th overall pick in a deep draft.

I'd rather have the 2nd round pick and a prospect who is 2 years into a successful development so far (saves us work).

Nothing against Toffoli, he's 26 and we're (hopefully) rebuilding.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Pearson, Villardi +2nd

 

[Balthazar]

I don't see why though.

Better Tofolli is a better player than Tatar, he is on a better contract and he's also a bit younger.

 

[Hostile Offer]

I'd rather have the 2nd round pick and a prospect who is 2 years into a successful development so far (saves us work).

Nothing against Toffoli, he's 26 and we're (hopefully) rebuilding.

I definitely prefer Suzuki to the late first too, absolutely.

Better Tofolli is a better player than Tatar, he is on a better contract and he's also a bit younger.

Ehh, similar players, fairly comparable production. Toffoli is a bit younger and cheaper but not so much that he should be in another stratosphere compared to Tatar when it comes to value.

 

[Seachd]

Vilardi was clearly a piece in the deal

There’s nothing to indicate this.

 

[Starat327]

I'd wager my house that Vilardi wasnt involved.