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Who was the last player other than joe to record 2 back to back 90 assist seasons?
I love Joe and am a big fan of his but I want to see him win a cup or expand his game before I consider him.
Who was the last player other than joe to record 2 back to back 90 assist seasons?
I love Joe and am a big fan of his but I want to see him win a cup or expand his game before I consider him.
What do you mean? Didn't he do this last season?
I don't believe in the points prerequisite.
I find it hard to believe that people are shooing in Tim Thomas but Pavel Datsyuk is far from a lock. But its possible I just don't understand the induction standards...
Who was the last player other than joe to record 2 back to back 90 assist seasons?
The only other player to do what he did with the Selke and Byng is Francis. They both have comparable careers. The only thing you could probably differentiate between the two is the leadership factor.
By that logic then, Joe Thornton will have a much better chance then Datsyuk to get into the HoF. Do you think that is so? It's fine if you disagree, but I think Datsyuk will be looked back upon as a better player than Joe Thornton. Could just be the Wing's fan in me, but I thought that would be the general consencous too.
That and, oh, 1200 points or so.
We're talking about Datsyuk having trouble hitting 1000 points... Francis finished with 1249 assists.
That and, oh, 1200 points or so.
We're talking about Datsyuk having trouble hitting 1000 points... Francis finished with 1249 assists.
I think Thornton has a better chance as it stands right now. He won a Hart, has already hit 1000 points, and has more assists than Datsyuk has points. He's second to Ovechkin in post-lockout scoring (more than Crosby) and the assist leader during that period. I doubt many people realize he is the top scorer of the past decade by an 83-point margin, and for that matter the top scorer since 1997.
If Thornton were to win a Cup and finally get that playoff monkey off his back, he would be an absolute lock if he isn't already. Datsyuk is the better player IMO, but unfortunately the Hall of Fame isn't always about who is the best player. It's more about what each player achieves in his career.
He's one of only two players in NHL history to receive both the Selke and Lady Byng in their NHL careers (which is actually quite impressive). he won the both together in two years. He's also a PPG player over his career, his plus/minus in his career is a ridiculous 187, he's only put up 172 career PIMs. He's probably already one of the best defensive forwards in NHL history already.
The voters may not care about Byngs but getting them while putting up Selke Trophy's in the same year is impressive. If he puts up a PPG in his career stats (say gets to 1000 points), he should be a lock for the Hall. The only other player to do what he did with the Selke and Byng is Francis. They both have comparable careers. The only thing you could probably differentiate between the two is the leadership factor.
That and, oh, 1200 points or so.
We're talking about Datsyuk having trouble hitting 1000 points... Francis finished with 1249 assists.
Francis' Career: 81-82 to 03-04, 549 goals, 1249 assists = 1798 points in 1731 GP
Prorate to 82 games: 25 goals, 59 assists = 84 points
Goals per game during career: 6.55
Datsyuk's Career: 01-02 to 10-11, 221 goals, 430 assists = 651 points in 662 GP
Prorate to 82 games: 27 goals, 53 assists = 80 points
Goals per game during career: 5.60
Datsyuk with Francis' era average: 32 goals, 62 assists = 94 points
Adjusted Career: 259 goals, 503 assists = 762 points in 662 games
Obviously Francis is damn impressive, and I'm not trying to diminish that, but I'm sure Datsyuk would appreciate playing in an era with 20% more scoring.
Basically. 3-5 years.So the short answer is that he has to keep playing at the same caliber for several more years?
Francis' Career: 81-82 to 03-04, 549 goals, 1249 assists = 1798 points in 1731 GP
Prorate to 82 games: 25 goals, 59 assists = 84 points
Goals per game during career: 6.55
Datsyuk's Career: 01-02 to 10-11, 221 goals, 430 assists = 651 points in 662 GP
Prorate to 82 games: 27 goals, 53 assists = 80 points
Goals per game during career: 5.60
Datsyuk with Francis' era average: 32 goals, 62 assists = 94 points
Adjusted Career: 259 goals, 503 assists = 762 points in 662 games
Obviously Francis is damn impressive, and I'm not trying to diminish that, but I'm sure Datsyuk would appreciate playing in an era with 20% more scoring.
So the short answer is that he has to keep playing at the same caliber for several more years?
So the short answer is that he has to keep playing at the same caliber for several more years?
Are you suggesting the HoF committee is going to draw something like that up, and adjust every players numbers for average offense during the era they played?Francis' Career: 81-82 to 03-04, 549 goals, 1249 assists = 1798 points in 1731 GP
Prorate to 82 games: 25 goals, 59 assists = 84 points
Goals per game during career: 6.55
Datsyuk's Career: 01-02 to 10-11, 221 goals, 430 assists = 651 points in 662 GP
Prorate to 82 games: 27 goals, 53 assists = 80 points
Goals per game during career: 5.60
Datsyuk with Francis' era average: 32 goals, 62 assists = 94 points
Adjusted Career: 259 goals, 503 assists = 762 points in 662 games
Who was the last player other than joe to record 2 back to back 90 assist seasons?
I don't believe in the points prerequisite.
I find it hard to believe that people are shooing in Tim Thomas but Pavel Datsyuk is far from a lock. But its possible I just don't understand the induction standards...
Tim Thomas has been voted the best player at his position twice in the last 3 years and has a Conn Smythe and is second to only Hasek in career save percentage for goalies with more than 100 games.
As it stands right now, Thomas has a better shot than Datsyuk.
That and, oh, 1200 points or so.
We're talking about Datsyuk having trouble hitting 1000 points... Francis finished with 1249 assists.
Career Highlights so far
-3 Selkes
-Two Cups. 1 SCF.
-Several top 5 scoring finishes.
-Hall of Fame/legendary stick handling ability. If you think the writers won't remember that, you're kidding yourself
-4 Lady Byngs
-4 All Star Apperances + no show
-Second All Star Team 2009
- Best Plus Minus Award: 2008
- Calder Trophy Finalist
-World Championship Best Forward: 2010
-3 Time Olympian
-Nominated for Hart Trophy
-Voted Best Russian NHL Player by Russian NHL Players: 2010
-Feared Enforcer
What else does he have to do to solidfy his Hall of Fame Status? I think his career numbers may hurt him since he played 3rd-2nd line minutes for so long on stacked Detroit teams early on/Dead Puck era. I think any 2 of these 3 and he is in. One more Cup, one more Selke, 1000 points or over a ppg.