What more does Datsyuk need to do before he is a HoF Lock?

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  1. Career Highlights so far
    -3 Selkes
    -Two Cups. 1 SCF.
    -Several top 5 scoring finishes.
    -Hall of Fame/legendary stick handling ability. If you think the writers won't remember that, you're kidding yourself
    -4 Lady Byngs
    -4 All Star Apperances + no show
    -Second All Star Team 2009
    - Best Plus Minus Award: 2008
    - Calder Trophy Finalist
    -World Championship Best Forward: 2010
    -3 Time Olympian
    -Nominated for Hart Trophy
    -Voted Best Russian NHL Player by Russian NHL Players: 2010
    -Feared Enforcer:sarcasm:

    What else does he have to do to solidfy his Hall of Fame Status? I think his career numbers may hurt him since he played 3rd-2nd line minutes for so long on stacked Detroit teams early on/Dead Puck era. I think any 2 of these 3 and he is in. One more Cup, one more Selke, 1000 points or over a ppg.
     
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    better playoffs
     
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    To be a lock, meaning a sure-fire inductee who will go in ASAP, he would need to win at least one Hart. That's kind of a minimum for being a lock among forwards. Simply being flashy and winning Byngs is irrelevant.
     
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    He's never been called the best player at his position and only has one season as the second best. The Lady Byng means nothing for HHoF votes so right now he's getting in based on being an elite defensive player while also being very good offensively (but only elite for 2 years)

    Either he needs to win a couple more Selkes and try to establish himself as the best defensive forward ever. Or he needs to score 80 points a year for the next 6-7 years to become a lock.

    He's had a great career, but he started very late and his career totals (221 goals and 651 points) are woefully low for current HHoF induction standards
    Edit: To further make that point. In the last decade only Dick Duff, Cam Neely and Clarke Gillies have been inducted into the hall (based on their NHL resumes) with less than 1000 points. Duff played in the 50s and 60s so the stats are hard to compare, but he won 6 cups. Neely retired when he was 30 due to injuries and Gillies was a linchpin to the Isles dynasty. Basically each have a very compelling reason to get in. I'm not sure 3 Selke's is enough to get Datsyuk to that level.
     
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    Put up more points honestly.
     
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    1000 Pts
     
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    1000 points is a prerequisite for forwards IMO

    You have to start there
     
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    He's one of only two players in NHL history to receive both the Selke and Lady Byng in their NHL careers (which is actually quite impressive). he won the both together in two years. He's also a PPG player over his career, his plus/minus in his career is a ridiculous 187, he's only put up 172 career PIMs. He's probably already one of the best defensive forwards in NHL history already.

    The voters may not care about Byngs but getting them while putting up Selke Trophy's in the same year is impressive. If he puts up a PPG in his career stats (say gets to 1000 points), he should be a lock for the Hall. The only other player to do what he did with the Selke and Byng is Francis. They both have comparable careers. The only thing you could probably differentiate between the two is the leadership factor.
     
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    I think he could get less than a thousand points and make it. Now I know he has 3 more cups and one more Selke, but Gainey finished with 501 points.

    Pavel has quite a few years ahead of him and from the looks of things he might just get that 1k.

    Unless he becomes terrible over night I think he will get to the HoF and not 30 years after he retires but much sooner.
     
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    651 points in 662 career regular season games.

    He's 33, so I'm guessing he plays until he's 40. Seven more years to get 349 points, so 50 points a year to get to 1000 points. I guess it's feasible that he will get to 1000 points and maybe, just maybe, be in the HoF.
     
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    This is the key. If he doesn't get to 1000 points he'll have to significantly distinguish himself to get in, much less be a lock. 1000 points is 4.5 seasons of 80 point hockey
     
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    1000 Points is the lock as some have said. I'm not sure he will reach that though so i think the next closet thing might be winning a 3rd cup and receiving the Conn Smythe.

    3 Cups with a Conn Smythe along with the Selke's should get him in
     
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    he needs another 3 seasons at a ppg pace. If he does that he's pretty much a lock i think.
     
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    2 x 4th finish is several? Those are also his only top10 finishes.

    He averaged over 18 minutes in his 3rd season
     
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    He's already a lock IMO.
     
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    A Conn Smythe and another Stanley Cup win. Preferably next year, which could be Lidstrom's last.

    Possibly another Selke. He's never going to have a huge compiled list of stats, so he's going to need to impress with more individual awards to be a lock (IE no debate). He does need to keep scoring at a high pace though for another 5-7 years to get more points though.
     
  21. By that logic then, Joe Thornton will have a much better chance then Datsyuk to get into the HoF. Do you think that is so? It's fine if you disagree, but I think Datsyuk will be looked back upon as a better player than Joe Thornton. Could just be the Wing's fan in me, but I thought that would be the general consencous too.
     
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    Well... he would have to at very least retire first :)

    I think Datsyuk gets in once his career is over. Putting up more points and winning a Hart would be good. Another Cup and a Conn Smythe would be better (though not for me)
     
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    Lindros will be looked upon as better than both by a lot of people. You can't connect the dots like that. Every case is its own.
     
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    Who was the last player other than joe to record 2 back to back 90 assist seasons?
     
  25. Mr Lahey*

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    I don't believe in the points prerequisite.

    I find it hard to believe that people are shooing in Tim Thomas but Pavel Datsyuk is far from a lock. But its possible I just don't understand the induction standards...
     

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