Speculation: What do you think happens between now and including TDL for the Oilers?

[TopShelfGloveSide]

What’s with the money in money out thing? Send money out first and give yourself some wiggle room. Like trade Kassian and Kosk for late picks or whatever, then trade picks and prospects for the goalie when you have some space. You’re not getting a good goalie with Kass included, just dump those guys first.

Anyway I just expect a sideways move at the last second, on TDL. No idea why he has to wait months and months to make the move just do it.

Because he doesn’t know what he’s doing in the salary cap age.

 

[KlefDown]

Holland is going to sit on his ass until the last day and then maybe makes a few calls on the last hour of the deadline and see if he can pick off some low hanging fruit, of which nothing will come to fruition

then he's going to come to hold a presser the next morning talking about "dollar in dollar out" and "you can't buy in every year" and how he's "comfortable with the locker room we have now and we will see how things go"


quote this, remember this

 

[Gregsky99]

False. He's not an ex-Red Wing. Had you said Chris Osgood, Dom Hasek or Tim Cheveldae, it'd be a bit



Hasek may still be an upgrade right now...

 

[M Ace]

Can anyone give me an example of a starting goalie that was acquired at the trade deadline that had success with the new team immediately (ie a playoff team)?

It just seems unusual to try an get an actual starter for a playoff team.

Dwayne Roloson

 

[McJC]

Holland is going to sit on his ass until the last day and then maybe makes a few calls on the last hour of the deadline and see if he can pick off some low hanging fruit, of which nothing will come to fruition

then he's going to come to hold a presser the next morning talking about "dollar in dollar out" and "you can't buy in every year" and how he's "comfortable with the locker room we have now and we will see how things go"


quote this, remember this

Good God, it sounds so real

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Optimistic prediction:

Barrie for De Haan

Koskinen, Turris, 1st, + for Varlamov+Mayfield

Hyman-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Kane-Draisaitl-Yamomoto
Foegele-RNH-Kassian
Benson-McLeod-Ryan
(Shore)

Nurse-Mayfield
Keith-Ceci
De Haan-Bouchard
(Russell-Niemelainen)

Varlamov
Smith

Mix up that bottom 6 forwards however you like.

No more cap added from the trade and Varlamov and Mayfield are on the team next year.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

People here make it sound so easy to get an elite goalie. Let's dump trash for the best goalie in the world!

You want quality you better offer something of quality.

Holland does nothing because there is nothing out there. No gm is stupid out there. It is like trading for comics. How many fools will give a mint condition amazing spiderman #1 for your 10 long boxes of 1990s shit comics?

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Optimistic prediction:

Barrie for De Haan

Koskinen, Turris, 1st, + for Varlamov+Mayfield

Hyman-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Kane-Draisaitl-Yamomoto
Foegele-RNH-Kassian
Benson-McLeod-Ryan
(Shore)

Nurse-Mayfield
Keith-Ceci
De Haan-Bouchard
(Russell-Niemelainen)

Varlamov
Smith

Mix up that bottom 6 forwards however you like.

No more cap added from the trade and Varlamov and Mayfield are on the team next year.

What does Mayfield do for us that lagesson or broberg cannot? We don't need to add junk unless that is Baker Mayfield. He can suit up for the Elks and set some CFL records.

 

[yzerman]

Kassian for Thomas Greiss and maybe a pick, he is the one for this late season and playoffs and very cheep and underrated ,he is Hollands 2008 Chris Osgood version.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

What does Mayfield do for us that lagesson or broberg cannot? We don't need to add junk unless that is Baker Mayfield. He can suit up for the Elks and set some CFL records.

For one thing, more than 300 NHL regular season games and 50 NHL playoff games. Also he's a regular NHL defenseman.

Teams with multiple rookies on defense don't go very far in the playoffs. You look at teams that go deep and they often need 8 legitimate NHL dmen.


Write up from 3 months ago:
https://drive4five.blog/2021/11/06/islanders-analytics-mayfield-greene-wahlstrom-aidan-resnick/

Since Lou Lamoriello traded defenseman Devon Toews to the Colorado Avalanche, the Islanders have been in desperate need of defensive depth — Ryan Pulock and Adam Pelech cannot play 60 minutes each game. While a trade or an off-season signing made sense in theory, the Islanders bet on Mayfield’s production by thrusting him into a larger role over time. Now, the Islanders are reaping the profits of their gamble.
Mayfield has steadily improved in every area of the game, an encouraging sign for the Islanders. His offensive and defensive production at even-strength, as well as his penalty killing, penalty drawing and taking, and shooting, has reached new heights. Furthermore, his Wins Above Replacement (WAR) percentile has improved from 52 to 72, increasing his value from a league-average defenseman to a borderline first-pairing one.

The most notable improvement is his even-strength offense, which serves a team in need of offensive contributions from its defensemen quite well.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

What does Mayfield do for us that lagesson or broberg cannot? We don't need to add junk unless that is Baker Mayfield. He can suit up for the Elks and set some CFL records.

Mayfield isn’t junk and is currently way better than those 2 players.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

What does Mayfield do for us that lagesson or broberg cannot? We don't need to add junk unless that is Baker Mayfield. He can suit up for the Elks and set some CFL records.

He’s a solid defensive middle-bottom RD who can chuck em. Exactly what we need on RD. Move Barrie out for him.

That and Lagesson, Broberg and Nemo are LD.

 

[Jumptheshark]

nothing worth talking about

 

[Bank Shot]

A starting goalie and a shutdown RD is the hope but it's far from certain that it will come to pass.

If they can get those two things they have a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

Hope it comes to pass.

 

[Anarchism]

Kassian for Thomas Greiss and maybe a pick, he is the one for this late season and playoffs and very cheep and underrated ,he is Hollands 2008 Chris Osgood version.

Holland is just stupid enough to deal with Yzerboy again.
He probably will spend good assets renting a mediocre D that will make little to no difference.

I hope not. But Holland is a meat and potatoes guy --shortsighted with very little dynamic thinking. And yes we don't have a scouting staff with any knowledge or balls backing him up.

 

[MoontoScott]

People here make it sound so easy to get an elite goalie. Let's dump trash for the best goalie in the world!

You want quality you better offer something of quality.

Holland does nothing because there is nothing out there. No gm is stupid out there. It is like trading for comics. How many fools will give a mint condition amazing spiderman #1 for your 10 long boxes of 1990s shit comics?

You are right in saying that other Gms are not stupid and do not want to give up value in a trade for guys who are either (a) done (b) marginal NHL'ers (c) very expensive contracts relative to what they bring to the table.

Unfortunately, the Keith contract and a few others have put the Oilers in a very tough cap situation as the deadline approaches. I will never understand why Holland didn't keep some cap space for a deal at the deadline especially considering how this season was a "win now" philosophy and knowing that the goaltenders he had were of dubious reliability.

 

[Soundwave]

They can get Varlamov for a 1st, no chance Lou turns that down.

Holland probably would prefer a 2nd but this is why you don't jerk off the summer and do nothing in the summer.

You compromise your bargaining position if you have to make a change in the season.

Thr Oilers are going to have to face up to the reality that hoarding 1st round picks forever and building a winner around McDavid and Draisaitl is likely not compatible... not when they often make the wrong pick with their high picks anyway (Broberg looks like he's years away from being a big impact player, Zegras already an All Star tier player) and suck at trades and pro scouting on top of that.

 

[McDoused]

What does Mayfield do for us that lagesson or broberg cannot? We don't need to add junk unless that is Baker Mayfield. He can suit up for the Elks and set some CFL records.

Mayfield is a proven 20 minute a night defenceman. He's hardly junk.

 

[joestevens29]

Mayfield is a proven 20 minute a night defenceman. He's hardly junk.

I think it's worth mentioning as I can see the whole "the isles suck so of course he can play 20 minutes", but he's played similar minutes the past two years when they were a team that went deep in the playoffs

 

[WaitingForUser]

They can get Varlamov for a 1st, no chance Lou turns that down.

Holland probably would prefer a 2nd but this is why you don't jerk off the summer and do nothing in the summer.

You compromise your bargaining position if you have to make a change in the season.

Thr Oilers are going to have to face up to the reality that hoarding 1st round picks forever and building a winner around McDavid and Draisaitl is likely not compatible... not when they often make the wrong pick with their high picks anyway (Broberg looks like he's years away from being a big impact player, Zegras already an All Star tier player) and suck at trades and pro scouting on top of that.

I will say this again. The oilers are very Luke warm on taking BPA lately. They were burned several times in the last decade on BPA. Nuge Yak and PJ all come to mind. Not that Nuge and JP are not Good players but they could have had Huberdeau, Reilly or Forsberg instead of Nuge and TKachuk over PJ. And Yak of course speaks for itself. It’s one thing to draft BPA it’s another to develop them into being an NHLer.

 

[mrjnick]

My bold prediction:
Koskinen+Barrie+2023 2nd for Cale Fleury and Driedger

or... Puke the likely trade
Koskinen+Barrie for Braun and Jones (Jones is TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERBILE please no)

 

[SwedishFire]

Holland will ge a cheap physichal defenseman, like Chara, Tinordi. And a grose overpay for a middle goalie like Yamamoto+ Samurukov + 2023 2nd for a Fleury rental or a backup goalie.

 

[VainGretzky]

I would target Oleksiak on Defense and who knows about Goalies very few looks like they would solve our goalie problem

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Mayfield is a proven 20 minute a night defenceman. He's hardly junk.

Watch him come here and be useless. 20 minutes a night explains why they suck.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

You are right in saying that other Gms are not stupid and do not want to give up value in a trade for guys who are either (a) done (b) marginal NHL'ers (c) very expensive contracts relative to what they bring to the table.

Unfortunately, the Keith contract and a few others have put the Oilers in a very tough cap situation as the deadline approaches. I will never understand why Holland didn't keep some cap space for a deal at the deadline especially considering how this season was a "win now" philosophy and knowing that the goaltenders he had were of dubious reliability.

People are writing off Keith. It was worth a gamble and if he is healthy for the final stretch he would be more valuable than most think.