Ace Rimmer
Stoke me a clipper.
Overreactions, panic, and general mayhem.Hey guys how are you? What’s the plan going forward?
Overreactions, panic, and general mayhem.Hey guys how are you? What’s the plan going forward?
giordano needs to give up the captain ship. hes back down to earth now. and i feel like there needs to be a new leader in the room
He's done being a first pairing defenceman but hes still the leader of the team.giordano needs to give up the captain ship. hes back down to earth now. and i feel like there needs to be a new leader in the room
If he continues to show production improvement and hustles and wins battles along the boards, behind the net, out front with no fear of opponents, I don'twhat do u guys think of maybe having mangiapane move down to the 3rd line in the future.
tbh i dont care what advanced stats say but hes a 3rd liner lets be real
That's if you have him as an LW. He is a natural LW, but this season he's primarily been used as a RW. As it stands, if no moves are made, Mangi is the 2RW (though he could face Dube for that spot next year). So he doesn't necessarily have to outplay Hall (if we get him), Johnny (if not traded) or Matty, he has to outplay Dube. Hell, if they want to swap things around a little, if he outplays Lindholm he could be the 1RW next year.If he continues to show production improvement and hustles and wins battles along the boards, behind the net, out front with no fear of opponents, I don't
mind if he is on 4th, it will be better with him.
If we get Taylor Hall, Mangi will have to outplay Johnny ( if not traded), MaTtruck, and Taylor Hall to see more ice-time. Pretty good potential showing 3rd liner tho.
That's if you have him as an LW. He is a natural LW, but this season he's primarily been used as a RW. As it stands, if no moves are made, Mangi is the 2RW (though he could face Dube for that spot next year). So he doesn't necessarily have to outplay Hall (if we get him), Johnny (if not traded) or Matty, he has to outplay Dube. Hell, if they want to swap things around a little, if he outplays Lindholm he could be the 1RW next year.
You sense that, too, Eh.He's done being a first pairing defenceman but hes still the leader of the team.
The Mat Truk'. Easy choice. Somebody else brought up Bennett as an 'A'. I like it, but only if he resigns and is committed to play 'Playoff style'in the regular season! He has 'disappeared' far too often in the regular season. A little strange at times?giordano needs to give up the captain ship. hes back down to earth now. and i feel like there needs to be a new leader in the room
You realize Giordano had 15pts in 47 games when Hartley selected him to be captain... right?
He's captain for a lot of reasons, out of this world point production isn't one of them.
You sense that, too, Eh.
I propose, either Valamaki steps way up,this training camp and he elevates yo trial at #1 pair...If he is actually healed and ready? Haven't heard any word about his recovery, readiness to compete at full pace again?
Or, Tre goes hard after a new leading Dman.
Possibilities? -LD Josh Morrissey (Wpg).
-RD A Pietrangelo (St.L)
-LD Morgan Rielly (Tor)
-RD Matt Dumba (Mn)
-LD Cam Fowler (Ana)
-RD Ryan Pulock (NYI)
-L/RD Traviis Sanheim (Phi)
-RD Phillips Myers (Phi)
Cost, availability and worth are for another thread.
Please add any you think of to this, too. I know I missed a few or alot?
Forgot about Lindholm. I figured in what I have heard that Fowler was the more steady offensive starter on the back end with solid D skills and coverage and more puck carrying aptitude.I'd add Hampus Lindholm and OEL to this list, as well as probably Jonas Brodin. I honestly think that our team defense was the main reason we lost this series and struggled at times against Winnipeg. Our defensemen couldn't move the puck fast enough and almost all of our forwards (outside of Backlund, Ryan, and Reider) were absolutely useless helping create clean breakouts and open up passing lanes. My biggest knock on Monahan and Gaudreau is that they are borderline useless in the defensive zone. I strongly believe our whole team would be better off if we had a top-line that scored less but could move the puck and was not a liability. Having said that we also need some major upgrades on defense if we want to compete with the defensive cores of Dallas, Vegas, St. Louis, Colorado.
If we want to make it a quick re-tool I think we need one guy from this list, maybe even two, otherwise we just will keep getting trapped in our zone no matter what forwards or wingers we have.
I think we need:
A top line that can still score but is not a liability (not necessarily upgrades on Monahan and Gaudreau, just two defensively responsible top-6 options that score less but aren't liabilities 5v5)
A top pairing defensemen
Another 2nd or 3rd pairing dman upgrade (Hanifin cannot be the answer, he got completely destroyed vs Dallas and we can't have ANYONE like that in our top-4, especially considering he can't play PK or PP)
Tkachuk-______-________
Mang-Backlund-Lindholm
_____-Bennett-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-Reider
_____- Brodie
Gio-Andersson
Valimaki-_______
Kylington
Trade:
Gaudreau, Monahan, Hanifin,
I would love to finagle Hampus Lindholm from Anaheim if we want to re-tool and try and remain competitive. If we move Monahan for a high pick+prospect and then traded a 1st+ to Anaheim for Lindholm I really think our team would be way better off. Sure we don't have anyone to replace Monahan's goals but we need defensive structure more than anything so we can start being effective in transition. Or if this isn't an option we should probably just trade Monahan and/ or Johnny for futures and maybe even Gio and Hanifin too and commit to the rebuild.
what do u guys think of maybe having mangiapane move down to the 3rd line in the future.
tbh i dont care what advanced stats say but hes a 3rd liner lets be real
Yah, this is our forum to voice opinions and what we see as need from our stand-points. IMO...JMOwe see what happens on the ice; that’s the ultimate and final reflection of leadership
Hope to change a few lines around and win, Maybe?Hey guys how are you? What’s the plan going forward?
I don't think there's a world where Monahan brings back Morrissey, who is far and away their best dman. I also don't think they'd move Laine Connor or Ehlers either, although I would for sure consider that. 10th+Copp+Roslovic is something i'd be down forForgot about Lindholm. I figured in what I have heard that Fowler was the more steady offensive starter on the back end with solid D skills and coverage and more puck carrying aptitude.
OEL is untouchable, his own saying, as I have a former U of Minny Gophers alumni relative who lives in Pheonix and he reports for a local sports cast. He has shared that this last season that OEL signed his extension with the purpose of being a 'Yote as much of his career as possible and took a discount long term to stay. He balked at a few potential trade targets before signing his extension there. Just so you know.
Onto further notes, I believe Derek Ryan should be moved up to C with more offensive, attack-the-zone players, like Mangi(L)- Ryan(C)- Dubs or Benny (R).
His one more year on contract, we need to utilize him more appropriately regularly. Results should be better for team. Move out/ trade Monahan as he has not improved his defense, his all-out attack, his play-making ability or his physicality enough with top-rated scoring steadily, to keep as #1 C.
Wpg needs a new, viable 2C, perfect role for Money there. We could go a couple different ways in Our "ask/return".
1. Get a Laine or Connor or Ehlers back for him, or
2. Request LD leader Josh Morrissey and a prospect C as return ( David Gustafsson**),,or throw in Noah Hanifin with Money Wpg adds Lowry plus a pick,or
3. Money-Hanifin & prospect Eetu Tuulola(or?) For
Wpg #10 OA 1st Rd/ and Cgy gives them their 2nd rd pick, plus Wpg adds Lowry, Roslovic and Tucker Poolman(RD, his younger bro Colton signed with CGY back in June).
In #3, Flames get their stud defensive/PK C in Lowry, a potential top6 true RW who can play C, in Roslovic, and a solid, steadily improving big-body rhs Dman in Poolman. Plus, with #10 OA, Flames could land a future #1C or top rhs D in Braden Schneider. And still have their, what is #17 to #20 something 1st rd pick also.
Wpg gets their 2C in Monahan, get a decent Dman in Hanifin ( still holds some trade value/ 2nd pairing minutes filler value on a reasonable longer term contract) in which they could bolster their D or add another tradeable asset for other Need?
We have other potential C's to plug away at #1 and 2C, in Lindholm, Backlund, Ryan, Dube, or Benny even.
Do not re-sign Jankowski, sorry kid but your days have staled here, at NHL level. Unless he signs a 2-way under .900 mil contractNhl/ under .200 AHL.
Move up Gawdin or Ruzicka or Phillips for 4th line role, with Looch on L and another the youngster in org on RW.
Lowry could C 3rd line with any of: Roslovic, Dube, Mango, Benny.
If Josh Morrissey obtained, groom him to replace Gio's top minutes and become new backend leader ( eventually).
Would be a nice world to be in tho, having Morrissey in a Flames uni! New backend leader before long, hometown boy grown up, has come home!I don't think there's a world where Monahan brings back Morrissey, who is far and away their best dman. I also don't think they'd move Laine Connor or Ehlers either, although I would for sure consider that. 10th+Copp+Roslovic is something i'd be down for
That's probably too much for just Monahan but honestly I'd try to move them separately if possible to maximize value. 10th+Copp for just Monahan and then Hanifin for a better top-6 player like a Domi or Strome or something or even Zacha+2nd that i would rather than RoslovicWould be a nice world to be in tho, having Morrissey in a Flames uni! New backend leader before long, hometown boy grown up, has come home!
Is that a Wpg 10th oa-Copp-Roslovic for Monahan and Hanifin?
Lots of change would come about just trading away Gio and Money. Or Johnny Hockey, too.I'd add Hampus Lindholm and OEL to this list, as well as probably Jonas Brodin. I honestly think that our team defense was the main reason we lost this series and struggled at times against Winnipeg. Our defensemen couldn't move the puck fast enough and almost all of our forwards (outside of Backlund, Ryan, and Reider) were absolutely useless helping create clean breakouts and open up passing lanes. My biggest knock on Monahan and Gaudreau is that they are borderline useless in the defensive zone. I strongly believe our whole team would be better off if we had a top-line that scored less but could move the puck and was not a liability. Having said that we also need some major upgrades on defense if we want to compete with the defensive cores of Dallas, Vegas, St. Louis, Colorado.
If we want to make it a quick re-tool I think we need one guy from this list, maybe even two, otherwise we just will keep getting trapped in our zone no matter what forwards or wingers we have.
I think we need:
A top line that can still score but is not a liability (not necessarily upgrades on Monahan and Gaudreau, just two defensively responsible top-6 options that score less but aren't liabilities 5v5)
A top pairing defensemen
Another 2nd or 3rd pairing dman upgrade (Hanifin cannot be the answer, he got completely destroyed vs Dallas and we can't have ANYONE like that in our top-4, especially considering he can't play PK or PP)
Tkachuk-______-________
Mang-Backlund-Lindholm
_____-Bennett-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-Reider
_____- Brodie
Gio-Andersson
Valimaki-_______
Kylington
Trade:
Gaudreau, Monahan, Hanifin,
I would love to finagle Hampus Lindholm from Anaheim if we want to re-tool and try and remain competitive. If we move Monahan for a high pick+prospect and then traded a 1st+ to Anaheim for Lindholm I really think our team would be way better off. Sure we don't have anyone to replace Monahan's goals but we need defensive structure more than anything so we can start being effective in transition. Or if this isn't an option we should probably just trade Monahan and/ or Johnny for futures and maybe even Gio and Hanifin too and commit to the rebuild.
My mind is spinning how to move forward with the Flames. Just started to brainstorm and thrown it in bucket. Some are depth players some are key players.
with some we could potential deal a package.
Center
Eichel, Buffalo
Barkov, Florida
Point, Tampa
Hertl, San José
Cirelli, Tampa
Domi, Montreal
Danault, Montreal
Dickinson, Dallas
Johnson, Tampa
N.Thompson, Philadelphia, FA
Lias Andersson, NYR
Talvitie, NJ
Rasmussen, Detroit
Veleno, Detroit
Left Winger
Hall, Arizona, FA
Kempe, LA
Laughton, Philadelphia
DeBrusk, Boston
Greenway, Minnesota
Right Winger
Marner, Toronto
Nylander, Toronto
Kapanen, Toronto
Anderson, Columbus
Gallagher, Montreal
Palmieri, NJ
Konecny, Philadelphia
Armia, Montreal
Puljujärvi, Edmonton
Hartman, Minnesota
Labanc, San José
LHD
Sanheim, Philadelphia
Nemeth, Detroit
Stillman, Florida
Nutivaara, Columbus
Butcher, NJ
RHD
Montour, Buffalo
Barrie, Toronto, FA
Gudas, Washington
Myers, Philadelphia
Nils Lundkvist, NYR
Schultz, Pittsburgh, FA
Carlo, Boston
Ristolainen, Buffalo
Dumba, Minnesota
Petry, Montreal
Timmins, Colorado
Holzer, Nashville, FA
Sean Walker, LA
Jokiharju, Buffalo
Vatanen, Carolina, FA
Goalie
Georgiev, NYR
Luukonen, Buffalo
Kahkonen, Minnesota
Korpisalo, Columbus
Not too much unlike me, still driving on the same flat tire for 5years, just moved from rf to lf to re a couple times.Probably the most upsetting thing about the last 5 years is that more often than not, the fans have been able to predict the relative success of certain management and coaching decisions. And it seems like the right moves would not be made to correct a bad decision until mgmt/coaches wnot ere backed into a corner and forced to make the decisions.
Fans are obviously not privy to 99% of the goings-on of the organization and are more reactionary than a team's brass but there have been so many decisions made that were the equivalent of watching a train-wreck in action and waiting 9 months for a clean-up crew to come onto the scene and repair the situation.
Is he though? Is taking stupid penalties at the most inopportune time, being our emotional leader?
He's our Iginla, our Messier??? Are you serious?
What is the obsession with Bennett and some people on here?
How can you be the face of the team when you don't bother showing up until the playoffs??
Also, in what world is he a first-line center?
Hey, what would you think of Money and Hanifin, #19 1st rd to LAK for Vilardi and #2 OA?Thanks, man! I am probably going to miss most of next season now trying to come up with who for who, how this guy fits with that one, how to put 29 clowns in a vw but, etc.
Thanks for finding the name Michael Rasmussen, in the slow-cooker wings of Detroit! He could be ideal for Johnny and Lindy in He has size, quickness, puck savvy and can net rebounds, so his almost a p.p.g.in AHL showed. He is prime to show what he has at the next level.
He's done being a first pairing defenceman but hes still the leader of the team.
I think there will be some stiff, Central div competition to get Monahan, if he is openly shopped.I don't think there's a world where Monahan brings back Morrissey, who is far and away their best dman. I also don't think they'd move Laine Connor or Ehlers either, although I would for sure consider that. 10th+Copp+Roslovic is something i'd be down for