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What are we gonna do about this team?

viper0220

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Nanuuk said:
We may be seeing the last of our core as it is currently constituted. I do not think we need a rebuild, but a few strategic adds and subtracts.

Here is my recipe.

1) Trade RFA LD Kylington and 2020 3rd to Chicago for RFA C Dylan Strome
2) Trade JG to New Jersey for 2020 1st (ARI), 2020 1st (VCR)
3) Trade C Ryan and 2020 2nd to Columbus for RFA Josh Anderson
4)Sign UFA LW Taylor Hall
5) Sign UFA G Cam Talbot
6) Sign UFA D Erik Gustafsson
7) Sign UFA D Forbort

Hall/Monahan/Anderson
Tkachuk/Backlund/Lindholm
Lucic/Bennett/Dube
Manigapane/Strome/Gawdin

Rieder

Giordano/Gustafsson
Hanifin/Andersson
Valimaki/Yelesin

Forbort

Talbot
Ritter

Expansion draft protected player 7:3:1 (assuming Lucic waives his NMC)

Monahan, Lindholm, Hall, Tkachuk, Bennett, Strome, Dube, Hanifin, Andersson, Giordano, Ritter

Coach: Gallant or Laviolette

Discussion and rationale:

Once again the Flames are too soft and unable to handle a larger and fast team. They have been unable to defeat the trapping style of play or the deep cycle that the Stars bring. The Flames have too many smurfs (Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Dube, Ryan) although Mangy and Dube don't shy away from the physical stuff and soft players like Ryan and Jankowski. My recipe is to get a bit bigger and hopefully not lose any speed.

Trading Gaudreau to NJ isn't about reuniting him with his family. It is about acquiring picks though. NJ has a stable of young budding stars and a slew of picks in 2020. They lost a premiere LW in Hall and JG is hitting his prime. Pairing him with Hughes or Hischier would be dynamic. The down side to this is replacing Johnny's point production.

Trading Kylington to Chicago for Strome relieves the log jam at LD and opens up an opportunity for Kylington to play regular minutes. I don't think Chicago would agree for a one for one deal, so I added a 3rd round pick.

I'm not sure what Colombus would want for Andersson, but I thought a relaible C and a pick might be enough. Flames might have to add a prospect as well.

Signing Hall would be controversial if the ask was exorbitant. If he could be signed for a reasonable cap hit, the Flames would have parlayed a very good roster player into picks and acquired a somewhat lesser player for nothing. The downside to this would be that the Flames would have to protect Hall at the expense of Manigapane, Dube, or Bennett. A tough call for sure and even tougher if Lucic does not wave his NMC. I chose Mangy as I think Dube has greater upside. In any event, the Flames would have a tantalizing list of unprotected players.

Signing Talbot is a risk as well due to his age (33). But he has regained his form and is a steadying influence back there. The Flames could expose him and possibly lose him, but that is a calculated risk.

Gus and Forbort are cheaper options than re-signing Brodie or Hamonic. Is Gus a #1 D? No, not by any stretch, but he is a PP specialist. Forbort is steady Eddy. Yeah he had a bad game that might cause some to question his bonafides, but I've seen enough to want him to hang around.

Coach Ward - sorry. I was in your corner, but the inability of this team to adapt to current circumstances and the woeful play of the defence has convinced me that you and your staff must also go. I'm all for continuity and I've seen the improvements you've made since taking over from Peters. Bu the litmus test is getting past the 1st round. Get by it and you're in. Lose, you're out. Its that simple.

Tre, feel free to generously adopt any of my ideas. There will be no charge. Honest!
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This does not address the problem of not having a very good center men and if we are trading Gaudreau for a bag of magic beans, we might as well just rebuild. What is the point of getting a center and putting him on the 4th line?

If the Flames do this, they are in the same boat as now.





The only thing I like about that is getting Dylan Strome, he had 38 points in 58 games playing 15:56 minutes of ice time, the year before he had 51 points in 58 games playing 17:03 of ice time.

If the Flames can get him(the Blackhawks are known to trade young players and they have Dach), I think he would do very well here(60-80 points), because he would have Monahan as the center who can produce 50-70 points and Backlund as the shutdown center who can produce 30-50 points and we have Sam Bennett as a dark horse center.
 
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Monahan is a #1C right now. Strome could be 2C or even 1C at some future date. Acquiring him would give the team options. And wherever you put him he is a step up over Ryan, Jankowski, and even Bennett. I am assuming that the Bennett we are seeing now at C is the Bennett we will continue to see. As long as he is playing at centre and continues to develop. Should the Flames want to trade Monahan during the next season or he is injured, the Flames would be able to backfill quite easily.

As far as Johnny goes yes two #1 ones might be a bit light, but turning a 4th round pick into #1's and strengthening your club while you're at it isn't that bad in my books. Johnny is a great hockey player, but can't handle the rough going. And the market price now for a reasonable replacement will be much less than in two years when Johnny needs to be re-signed.
 
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Posted this in the Game Day Thread......applies though.

The core has shown us who they are, and they aren't good enough. Period.

Should be an interesting off-season.

The part that annoys me is there are so many holes.

We aren't fast enough, we aren't big enough, we aren't talented enough, we don't really know what we have in the goaltending duo, coaches aren't good enough, Gio has plummeted to earth with no real true #1 stepping up to take his place, scoring continues to be an issue from our top-end players - I'm looking at you first-line guys, Jesus it's depressing. I suppose I should be happy that we appear to have a pretty good second line and an elite third line?? Our first line is built for the regular season when you are able to create space, playoffs, nope, they shy away from any and all physicality.

We are what we have been for decades. Mediocre. Mediocre in every way possible.

There was a point when we thought we had a superstar in Johnny, but it's now apparent this is far from the case. HE's a super-skilled winger that, given room, can be amazing. Take that space away, and he's a giveaway machine. Worried about every little hit, slash, whack he gets.

I hope to god the Johnny Hockey experiment ends this offseason.

The problem is he's not getting us much in return. He needs to go to a big-bodied team that can shelter him in the manner he requires. He certainly isn't getting us a true #1 center we have needed for, well, ever. We will have to part with one of our young D's and some picks for that. Which exposes our lack of good players going forward.

I think we're in for many more years of being average.

Which, personally, I'm sick and tired of.
 
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Trade Gaudreau, Monahan maybe Hanifin look at a Gio and/or Ryan move too.

Elevate the young guys in the lineup and run something like this next year

Tkachuk-Dube-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Bennett-X (asset from trade)
Lucic-Backlund- Phillips
Some guys

Gio (if he's still here)-Andersson
Valimaki-Cheap UFA or Brodie if he's reasonable
Kylington-Young UFA or asset


Sneaking into the playoffs is just going to delay the inevitable, it's better to have a few bad years (and even then we'll never be Detroit or Ottawa bad) if it means building toward a better team in the future.


The actual spots aren't important the goal should be to maximize the opportunity for the guys who could be part of the next core (Dube, Mangiapane, Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington Bennett?) Rather than playing them with our garbage and hoping they develop we actively put them in the best situation to succeed and grow as players with quality linemates.
 
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Mobiandi said:
New coach if we can get Gallant or Laviolette. Other than that, Ward's an average head coach to me, so it's not disastrous if we keep him. Certainly better than Peters and Gulutzan, although that's a low bar.

Trade Monahan, Hanifin
Re-sign Brodie
Pray Valimaki can be our #1D
Let Gustafsson, Forbort walk
Keep Bennett as a centre
Try to sign Hall
Seriously test the market for Gaudreau

I don't see the point of hanging on to a core until the bitter end if the pieces don't mesh well together. 5 years ago the Avs were the biggest joke in the league, Vegas didn't exist, and the Hawks were a modern day dynasty. You have to be adaptive to the situation and realize that teams change a lot over the course of those years. All we've done in that time is swap in and out depth pieces to augment a foundation that seems to have gotten progressively more stale before it's experienced any playoff success.
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Trading Monahan, Hanifin and testing the market for Gaudreau means either tear down rebuild or serious retool. The issue with this team is it came out of a rebuild too soon because they didn't scorch earth rebuild. They should trade Monahan, Hanifin, and test the market for Gaudreau but not resign brodie or sign hall. Then use the cap space to pry additional prospect/draft assets from cap strapped teams when taking on short term salary
 
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My favourite destination for Gaudreau would be Philly. Don’t know if they could make it work cap wise but I like all of Frost, Myers, and Sanheim as potential pieces in a return
 
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the thing that stings the most is that in the past years when we were in the playoffs, giordano does not step up. hes just not capable of playing good hockey when it actually matters. lets hope we get some more heart and soul and playoff performers in the near future. and maybe a new captain sooner rather then later
 
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BlondeLooch said:
My favourite destination for Gaudreau would be Philly. Don’t know if they could make it work cap wise but I like all of Frost, Myers, and Sanheim as potential pieces in a return
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Gaudreau
Kylington

for

Lindblom
Sanheim
Frost

Cap is pretty even, although you'd probably have to sub in Ghost for Sanheim is my guess, and I'm not sure they'd trade Lindblom just because of how bad it might look.
 
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Gaudreau+Monahan+Hanifin + 2 unprotected 1sts for

Eichel + RFA rights to Montour

Tkachuk-Eichel-Dube
Mangiapane-Bennett-Lindholm
Lucic-Backlund-Phillips
Plug-Ryan-Plug

Gio-Brodie
Valimaki-Andersson
Kylington-Montour
 
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Way, WAY too much for Eichel.

Two 1st liners and a 2nd pairing D with upside all in their primes is more than enough. No need to include 1st round picks on top of it.
 
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