AnimalMother73
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Unbelievable how much rope this guy has relative to his lack of production. It seems unconscionable to keep playing this guy over others who at least deserve a look see (Bowers, Greer, possibly even Kaut). I'm glad Kam's in but there is no justifiable reason to bench him over Jost when Donskoi returns.
Because he contributes nothing, isn't good at anything, yet is unscratchable.What I don't get is why he's getting dumped on so much?
Oh yeah, unbelieveable!
Expectations are a funny thing. Even though Jost is 13th amongst Avs forwards for overall icetime (12th if you don’t count Colin Wilson) he is somehow still very much expected to produce as a Top-6 forward by the majority of the fanbase. LOL
NHL.com Stats
I get that people are jaded and angry that he hasn’t developed into a Top-6 forward at age 21 yet but people need to calm down with their hyperbolic takes. He is producing at roughly a similar rate as the other bottom-6 forwards not named Compher (who's played over 3 mins more per game than him) or Calvert (who played a long stretch with Donskoi and MacKinnon) yet he is the youngest of the bunch by a fair margin.
24 - Compher - 23pts in 44 gp
30 - Calvert – 24 pts in 40 gp [played with MacK for a long stretch and boosted his numbers]
34 - Bellemare – 17 pts in 46 gp
24 - Nichushkin – 17 pts in 42 gp
27 - Nieto – 18 pts in 47 gp
21 - Jost – 13 pts in 44 gp
23 - Kamenev – 6 pts in 21 gp
Where were all of these players at age 21?
21 - Compher - 1st pro season after college (5 pts in 21 gp)
21 - Calvert - 2nd pro season - bounced between Columbus and Springfield
21 - Bellemare - playing in the Allsvenskan in Sweden
21 - Nichushkin - playing in the KHL
21 - Nieto - Bottom-6 forward for the Sharks until they put him on waivers
21 - Kamenev - Injured
What I don't get is why he's getting dumped on so much? I would understand if he was being spoonfed Top-6 minutes with this kind of production but that simply hasn't been the case as the stats indicate. Does he have regular linemates that he can build chemistry with or does it keep continually changing from week to week? Does he have his regular role as a center on one of the lines or is he continually shifted from center to wing, game-in-game-out? In both cases, it's the latter and that's not an easy thing for a young kid but to count him out completely before his 22nd birthday is wrong, in my opinion. His development reminds me a lot of Mikael Backlund who was developed in the NHL at a very young age and took quite a while for him to have a breakout season. (age 23/24)
When I watch Jost, I see a guy who is working hard and doing his best under those conditions and I don't really have a problem with where he's at right now. I think the kid has improved since last year for sure in a lot of facets of the game. Almost every game I see him getting chances or setting someone up with a really good opportunity to score. If he had a bit more luck, he'd have 6-7 more points and people wouldn't be on his case as much.
Having said all that, Jost finds himself in the position that he's still developing while playing a bottom-6 role in the NHL but that's not consistent with where the Avs are at right now or where they want to be since they are now challenging for a championship. If the Flames were out of the playoff picture, a perfect trade would be Jost for Bennett as that's the type of big, 3rd line center who's strong on faceoffs that is hard to play against that the Avs would love to have for the playoffs and Jost could get a fresh start with the Flames and Alberta is home to boot.
This is all I’m saying we don’t have to get rid of him but it’s not justifiable to play him over Kam right now.Jost gets extra physicality from opponents. They know Jost is weak and pushing him around nullifies him, period. Can't guess if he can develop further to be productive at the NHL level. My expectations? I'm thinking "post-Jost" already. Sit Jost and play Khamenev.
Jost himself wasn’t the wrong choice. The Avs being dead set on drafting a forward (and what seemed specifically like a future Matt Duchene replacement) was the wrong choice.
Still to this day Jost was the right choice among the reasonable forward suggestions available at that time. I just still can’t figure out for the life of me why they needed to go forward. Maybe it’s simply because I personally thought Chych should have been a top 5 pick but I really struggled to understand their game plan with the 2016 draft. Seems like their decision came down to Jost, Logan Brown and Max Jones. Like why are those your three options with Chych and Mcavoy just sitting there for the taking while your NHL defense had the likes of Tyutin and Wiercioch and your best D prospect is Nicholas Meloche??
Yeah I completely forgot about Bigras lol.You may not be far off, but bear in mind that at the time of that draft, our best D prospect was Chris Bigras, not Meloche. Heck, we even voted CB #2 barely over Jost in the post-draft prospect rankings polls. Not sure how you voted, as your first comment in that series was for #3, and gives no indication of your opinion on prior votes. Meloche was #5, then Mironov, Boikov, Geertsen, Seimens, Andersen (new), Butcher, Lindholm and Clurman (new) in the 11 through 19 spots with Grimaldi being the only non-D interrupting the streak. Hindsight, we needed D, but with a couple of early 2nd rounders that seemed to be developing well, plus a newly acquired 1st rounder playing on the NHL blueline, it was understandable to prioritize F and take D later. Also, at the time, there was a lot of talk about them liking McLeod. As far as the board's consensus on draft day, once Keller, Nylander and Sergachev were gone, it was almost entirely Jost, Brown, and Chychrun. Brown seemed to be the slight favorite, and Chychrun was split...as many people wanted to avoid him at all costs as wanted him. I think I only saw two, including you, that flat out did not want Jost. I did not see anyone suggesting McAvoy.
Oh yeah, unbelieveable!
What I don't get is why he's getting dumped on so much? I would understand if he was being spoonfed Top-6 minutes with this kind of production but that simply hasn't been the case as the stats indicate. Does he have regular linemates that he can build chemistry with or does it keep continually changing from week to week? Does he have his regular role as a center on one of the lines or is he continually shifted from center to wing, game-in-game-out? In both cases, it's the latter and that's not an easy thing for a young kid but to count him out completely before his 22nd birthday is wrong, in my opinion. His development reminds me a lot of Mikael Backlund who was developed in the NHL at a very young age and took quite a while for him to have a breakout season. (age 23/24)
Because fans want it all. If he were playing well we'd be complaining about his next contract demands. The guy is an X factor. He'll either be traded and we'll stop caring or he'll become a fan favorite because we get to see him devolope over the years but I bet it sucks for him as a player playing for a fanatic base that hates him because he isn't the second coming of Mackinnon. He may never become our 2nd line center at this rate.
I will always wonder why the Avs were soooooo averse to putting him in the AHL and just keeping him there. They sent him down for super-brief stints and couldn't wait to call him back up.
Bolded is my concern too and I have expressed that too. The only thing he has going for him is that he seems like a good teammate and his work ethic.It isn't that Jost isn't producing like a top 6 player, it is that he just isn't a good hockey player. Yeah I get he is 21, but he's in the midst of his 3rd NHL season and he should be at least flashing something. He's not steller defensively, he's not steller offensively, he's not good at center, he'd not good at wing... he's just a meh player all around and isn't good enough in any area to carve out a role here. On a team that is devoid of forward talent and plays slower, he might find a way. It isn't coming here though.
If Jost wasn't a top 10 pick and was a guy the Avs selected in the 20s, I really don't think he'd be in the NHL right now.
Love you NEB but sometimes you are just trying too hard.Jost saved our franchise. He was like a real life days of future past reboot. In the real year 2020 without Jost saving us:
The Avs captain Nolan Patrick is on his third concussion after a huge open ice hit from Makar during a divisional rival game with the Blues. We're last in the division and the Canucks have our first round pick.
Nathan MacKinnon is still sitting out demanding a trade after Sakic refused to fire coach Patrice Brisbois.
John Michael Liles is going bald.
Jost saved our franchise. He was like a real life days of future past reboot. In the real year 2020 without Jost saving us:
The Avs captain Nolan Patrick is on his third concussion after a huge open ice hit from Makar during a divisional rival game with the Blues. We're last in the division and the Canucks have our first round pick.
Nathan MacKinnon is still sitting out demanding a trade after Sakic refused to fire coach Patrice Brisbois.
John Michael Liles is going bald.
He's been okay the last couple games, but it's too little, too late, IMO. Unless he REALLY starts playing like a top six forward the next couple of months (unlikely to say the least), I think he's done here. There's just not a role for him on this team even if he does occasionally chip in a point here and there.