Confirmed with Link: Wayne Simmonds traded to Nashville for Ryan Hartman + conditional 4th

[GKJ]

Yeah, i believe the message that the flyers sent out was about taking the next step and making the playoffs and yet Hextall rolled with basically the same lineup and coach and then everything collapsed as expected.

Hextall even said he wanted a top 6 forward. Trading Simmonds would've meant needing another, even though he ended up on 3rd line.

 

[Larry44]

I am sure it’s been said but they should have traded as soon as they signed JVR. They weren’t fooling anyone with the “we would still Ike to sign him” crap. Atleast at that point GMs would have likely assumed he would bounce back from an injury plagued season.

This was my argument. Hexy gave JVR the money for Simmonds' renewal, effectively replacing one 3rd line winger/PP specialist with another. You don't need two, Simmonds had to go.

Here's what G said, being a good supportive captain of his new teammate:



A few more comments:
Flyers’ Claude Giroux on feisty Ryan Hartman: ‘Orange and black is going to look good on him’

 

[BernieParent]

Oh **** we're already in the "good-ol'-days-of-Hextall" phase? I can't wait until the team loses three games next season and people start rewriting their memories of Hakstol and Neuvirth.

Hextall did do some things well as GM. It's a shame that the Flyers couldn't adopt a GM-by-committee approach: Hextall for drafting and maximizing value from trades, Fletcher for disposal of negative players. Unfortunately, the position of GM in charge of getting the coach's head out of his rear and playing best line-ups remains vacant.

 

[Garbage Goal]

I don't know why people were expecting Simmonds to get traded last year just because they could. The idea was to move the team forward. When it didn't happen, then he was going to trade him.

I don’t think people were expecting to, just wanting to since it was the smart thing. In the off-season Hextall hadn’t quite shown how low he was about to go yet so it’s possible some people expected he would make the smart move.

That is why I’m happy we had Fletcher instead of Hextall on deadline day. He was expecting to compete and talking about adding when we were worse than we are now. I’m not sure he would have even moved Simmonds come deadline.

 

[Curufinwe]

This was my argument. Hexy gave JVR the money for Simmonds' renewal, effectively replacing one 3rd line winger/PP specialist with another. You don't need two, Simmonds had to go.

Simmonds: 0.59, 1.18

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick



For just this season, Simmonds ended at 1.11 P/60 at 5on5, while JVR is at 1.65.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Simmonds: 0.59, 1.18

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick



For just this season, Simmonds ended at 1.11 P/60 at 5on5, while JVR is at 1.65.

What if we shrink that sample size to last 41 games?

 

[flyersfan187]

I'm honestly excited for Simmonds to be on Nashville. I'd get less to put him on that team then put him with Boston for just a little more in return. It is something how it seems a lot of players we trade end up winning a cup with another team so lets go Nashville!

 

[Striiker]

Hextall did do some things well as GM. It's a shame that the Flyers couldn't adopt a GM-by-committee approach: Hextall for drafting and maximizing value from trades, Fletcher for disposal of negative players. Unfortunately, the position of GM in charge of getting the coach's head out of his rear and playing best line-ups remains vacant.

Until Hagg and MacDonald are gone, Fletcher hasn't helped us at all by getting rid of negative players. He just moved guys who were already out of the way.

 

[TheKingPin]

Apparently the return for Grandlund was larger but the deals completed that day drove the price down so it was a swap.

 

[Magua]

Apparently the return for Grandlund was larger but the deals completed that day drove the price down so it was a swap.

That doesn’t make sense. Neither player was a UFA and had to be traded. Minnesota — trying to rebuild — had no urgency to move a top line forward straight up for a middle 6 forward who might be as good as Granlund one day (and probably not, especially not all-around), based on the cost of other deadline deals. If it was larger, you sit on it until the draft when it goes back up again.

But when adjusted for xFenton/60, I guess it does make sense.

 

[BernieParent]

Until Hagg and MacDonald are gone, Fletcher hasn't helped us at all by getting rid of negative players. He just moved guys who were already out of the way.

His work is incomplete for sure but sending Lehtera and Weise to LHV was appreciated, as was moving on from Weal.

 

[Larry44]

His work is incomplete for sure but sending Lehtera and Weise to LHV was appreciated, as was moving on from Weal.

Kill the Starfish, Kill the Starfish...

 

[deadhead]

I couldn't give a fig who they move out, I care about who they move in.

Hartman is a legitimate NHL player.
Myers is a top prospect.

NAK, Vorobyev, Bunnaman, et al - show me you're better than Varone, Weise, etc.

I don't care about Hagg and MacDonald, I care about Morin showing he belongs in the NHL.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

That doesn’t make sense. Neither player was a UFA and had to be traded. Minnesota — trying to rebuild — had no urgency to move a top line forward straight up for a middle 6 forward who might be as good as Granlund one day (and probably not, especially not all-around), based on the cost of other deadline deals. If it was larger, you sit on it until the draft when it goes back up again.

But when adjusted for xFenton/60, I guess it does make sense.

Paul Fentanyl.

 

[TheKingPin]

That doesn’t make sense. Neither player was a UFA and had to be traded. Minnesota — trying to rebuild — had no urgency to move a top line forward straight up for a middle 6 forward who might be as good as Granlund one day (and probably not, especially not all-around), based on the cost of other deadline deals. If it was larger, you sit on it until the draft when it goes back up again.

But when adjusted for xFenton/60, I guess it does make sense.

I think that’s exaclty it. Fenton wanted Fiala something fierce. I think Fletcher wanted Hartman too. Poile just sitting back and getting rich.

 

[Striiker]

I don’t think adding Simmonds counts as “getting rich”. Granlund, sure, but Simmonds isn’t going to do much to help them. Even on the PP, he no longer has Giroux or Voracek.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I think that’s exaclty it. Fenton wanted Fiala something fierce. I think Fletcher wanted Hartman too. Poile just sitting back and getting rich.

The way Simmonds has played the last two seasons, combined with his pending free agency, isn’t exactly “getting rich.”

Now getting Granlund for Fiala — that’s different. Fenton sure must think highly of Fiala.

 

[flyersfan187]

Simmonds can score goals and hopefully he can help their power play find their game.

 

[Starat327]

I don’t think adding Simmonds counts as “getting rich”. Granlund, sure, but Simmonds isn’t going to do much to help them. Even on the PP, he no longer has Giroux or Voracek.

That might actually be what helps him, to be honest. Teams stopped focusing on Simmonds altogether after they realized that if all passes and shots get funneled through Giroux. By nullifying Giroux they nullified Simmonds.

I haven't watched enough Preds games to know what their setup is like, but if their PP isn't as predictable as ours had become, and they can get shots to the net, it may help his production.

 

[Striiker]

That might actually be what helps him, to be honest. Teams stopped focusing on Simmonds altogether after they realized that if all passes and shots get funneled through Giroux. By nullifying Giroux they nullified Simmonds.

I haven't watched enough Preds games to know what their setup is like, but if their PP isn't as predictable as ours had become, and they can get shots to the net, it may help his production.

Oof

I guess it can't get much worse, but without a G or V type guy to feed him, Simmonds will probably get even worse.

I also don't buy for a single second that our PPs problem was being "predictable". It was a fluke drought that then became an issue of a dumbass coach playing with the setup. They've had the same setup for most of this decade and it was elite the entire time... it doesn't matter if other teams knew what was going to happen because it was happening anyway. Just like knowing the Caps PP objective is "pass to Ovi" doesn't stop them at all either.

 

[Limeyjim]

We're all going to miss seeing Simmer, but I'll be looking forward to seeing Hartman. I hope the team plays well, and they continue winning.

 

[Domino666]

Simmer can’t make Nashville’s PP any worse they’re last in the league

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Their best way to squeeze value out of Simmonds would be just letting him play special teams & cutting back his time elsewhere.

Simmonds got some pretty good usage here this season.

EV TOI - 4th
EV TOI/GP - 4th
PP TOI - 4th
PP TOI/GP - 4th
TOI - 4th
TOI/GP - 4th

That’s where he ranked amongst forwards this year before his trade. They took him off the PK this year. So while he may have been on the third line on the depth chart at times this year the Flyers still used him as if he was one of the best forwards. Only Couturier, Giroux, & Voracek played more than him.

 

[Jettany]

I don’t think adding Simmonds counts as “getting rich”. Granlund, sure, but Simmonds isn’t going to do much to help them. Even on the PP, he no longer has Giroux or Voracek.

And you might have him for only 25 games. And if it’s longer, could be an ugly contract.

 

[baudib1]

Simmonds doesn't need Giroux and Voracek, it's not like he scored his goals off one-timers.

Simmonds' value is in standing in front of the net deflecting shots and pushing in rebounds. He's got the best blueline shooters in the league in Nashville.