OT: Washington Football Team 2021 Offseason Thread 2: Roster Roulette

[Jacoby4HOF66]

That's the rumor de jour. I fully expect that the Raiders will release Mariota just before free agency starts.

Why would they cut him? He is signed to a backup QB contract and unless Carr gets hurt MM’s cap hit won’t come close to 18 mil.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[kicksavedave]

Why would they cut him? He is signed to a backup QB contract and unless Carr gets hurt MM’s cap hit won’t come close to 18 mil.

$10.5M is not cheap for a backup, but yeah that's a backup type contract. If he were to be traded it would be to start, so it looks more like $18M, which he hasn't proven he's worth yet.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Really hope we don’t overpay for a receiver via free agency. Robinson or Golladay are the hot names but will come with a huge price tag. I’d rather go after the Corey Davis or Marvin jones tier of receivers. Curtis Samuel also

When in doubt, Carolina connection it out (Bridgewater and Samuel) for combined 30m. Watch and wait. LB or OL at 19, then fill accordingly with BPA the rest of the draft.

probably sign a CB as well in FA.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Bridgewater is great if you want to win 7-9 games...maybe. Hard pass.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Why would they cut him? He is signed to a backup QB contract and unless Carr gets hurt MM’s cap hit won’t come close to 18 mil.

He’s 10m base. That’s not backup QB pay.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Bridgewater is great if you want to win 7-9 games...maybe. Hard pass.

I don’t want him. I’m just reading the tea leaves

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

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[Jacoby4HOF66]

He’s 10m base. That’s not backup QB pay.

Yes it is.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Yes it is.

Mariota’s cap hit was the 21st highest in 2020. So not sure how you can really make that claim?

NFL Rankings

it is currently the 19th highest for 2021 (obv next year isn’t baked yet), but still

that’s not back up pay bud

NFL Rankings

 

[max21]

Mac Jones is certainly shooting up draft boards, one year college QB wonder? Not that mobile? What could go wrong. Sign me the f up

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Why would they cut him? He is signed to a backup QB contract and unless Carr gets hurt MM’s cap hit won’t come close to 18 mil.

He's the highest paid back up in the league. The only player who makes close to what Mariota does is Taysom Him in New Orleans.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

He's the highest paid back up in the league. The only player who makes close to what Mariota does is Taysom Him in New Orleans.

With the top guys making 30-40 mil a year now the backup price is gonna go up as well. Especially for 27 year old former #2 overall picks.

And if Taysom Hill is worth 16 mil this year then MM is worth 10.

 

[Ridley Simon]

With the top guys making 30-40 mil a year now the backup price is gonna go up as well. Especially for 27 year old former #2 overall picks.

And if Taysom Hill is worth 16 mil this year then MM is worth 10.

Taysom was signed to that contract as they knew Brees has little time left. PLUS Hill actually plays every game. Mariota doesn’t.

Mariota is way overpaid for a back up. But if this is a hill you want to die on, we cannot stop you good sir.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Taysom was signed to that contract as they knew Brees has little time left. PLUS Hill actually plays every game. Mariota doesn’t.

Mariota is way overpaid for a back up. But if this is a hill you want to die on, we cannot stop you good sir.

Not sure why it’s hard for you and others to understand when the top QBs are making 30 to 40 mil a year the price for back up QBs go up as well. Especially 27 year old backups that can potentially still be a starter.

 

[g00n]

Isn't the problem the incentives? As a backup his contract is tolerable because he only gets paid close to a starter level if the starter goes down. If you bring him in as QB1 it's going to cost you that full starter (but not star) amount.

 

[Neil Racki]

Not sure why it’s hard for you and others to understand when the top QBs are making 30 to 40 mil a year the price for back up QBs go up as well. Especially 27 year old backups that can potentially still be a starter.

I think theres a middle ground here and you and others are talking about 2 slightly different things. The average backup QB does not make or justify 10M per. A handful of borderline backup/starter QBs like MM or Tyrod Taylor or Teddy Bridewater could demand 10M per.

18 qbs are set to make 10M or more next year. Once Alex Smith and Teddy Bridgewater are cut, Big Ben restuctures and Drew brees retires .. there will be 14 QBs making 10M or more next year.

NFL Rankings

No = back up Qbs dont make on average 10M per year.
Yes = a good backup will cost you close to 10M per.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

I think theres a middle ground here and you and others are talking about 2 slightly different things. The average backup QB does not make or justify 10M per. A handful of borderline backup/starter QBs like MM or Tyrod Taylor or Teddy Bridewater could demand 10M per.

18 qbs are set to make 10M or more next year. Once Alex Smith and Teddy Bridgewater are cut, Big Ben restuctures and Drew brees retires .. there will be 14 QBs making 10M or more next year.

NFL Rankings

No = back up Qbs dont make on average 10M per year.
Yes = a good backup will cost you close to 10M per.

Yes there is a scale. 30 or younger back up QBs that still have starter potential, like Hill and MM, can command 10 mil a year as a backup. Old backups like Fitzpatrick or Dalton and career backups like Henne, Keenum, McCarron and Daniels make between 2 and 5 mil a year.

But still as the price for the top QBs go up so will the price for backups.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Isn't the problem the incentives? As a backup his contract is tolerable because he only gets paid close to a starter level if the starter goes down. If you bring him in as QB1 it's going to cost you that full starter (but not star) amount.

Yes incentives are the issue for any team that would trade for MM. Which ever team trades for him would have to budget 18 mil in cap space in case MM starts 16 games.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

I was hoping this was the case. Whew.

 

[tenken00]

I was hoping this was the case. Whew.

Pretty much what we've all (mostly) been arguing for. That the team is not yet ready, still needs to build on it for another year.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Not sure why it’s hard for you and others to understand when the top QBs are making 30 to 40 mil a year the price for back up QBs go up as well. Especially 27 year old backups that can potentially still be a starter.

We do understand your point.

We just don’t agree w it.

10m for a back up is wasted salary, unless you *truly* expect the guy to start some games (or play in all games like Hill does).

you are basing stud QB’s at 30-40m. We get that part and agree. But there really isn’t such thing as a “stud back up” QB. Or else they aren’t a back up (save Steve Young to Joe Montana).

you also won’t have a team spending 35m on a starter and then another 10m on a back up. Foolish use of space.

 

[ynotcaps]

I was hoping this was the case. Whew.

It's an amazing feeling to read that your team is taking a sane, rational approach to roster-building.
And the fact that the above statement is true is a sad, sad testament to the last 20-plus years of Redball Team football.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Remember when we wouldnt pay Garcon, Djax, or Crowder 10M a season? Now thats a far value for QB2?

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Remember when we wouldnt pay Garcon, Djax, or Crowder 10M a season? Now thats a far value for QB2?

Shit I remember when Rypien held out after winning the super bowl and signed a 3 year 9 mil deal. QB2’s make a lot of money now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...34de9c21107/?no_nav=true&tid=a_classic-iphone

Reading this article reminded me that Stan Humphries was traded soon after. Big what if on keeping Humphries.