Player Discussion Victor Mete: Part III

[Adam Michaels]

Pretty sure he can’t be sent down without going through waiver because he played too many games in the NHL, so it either NHL or trade...

Correct. He and Juulsen will now require waivers.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think Laval is in his immediate future. He needs confidence in his skillset.

His main tool is his speed, but he's found a way to make it obsolete. He needs to find a way to incorporate his one elite skill.

How can he have found a way to make it obsolete when he's been one of the most proefficient defensively?

2018-2020 Most ES time on ice

Name------ESTOI-GA---GA/60
Petry-------2876--157---3.28
Weber-----2261--100---2.65
Mete-------1957---69---2.12
Kulak-------1934---81---2.51
Chiarot-----1367---62---2.72
Fleury-------556---20---2.16
Folin---------516---23---2.67
Ouellet------452---18---2.39

And it's not because of being sheltered as his GA/60 is better with Weber or Petry (1.85), whereas he's 2.57 outside the top 4.


With Weber and Petry
Without Weber and Petry

Chiarot
979 47 2.88
388 17 2.63

Mete
1234 38 1.85
723 31 2.57

Kulak
1082 41 2.27
852 40 2.82

 

[montreal]

How can he have found a way to make it obsolete when he's been one of the most proefficient defensively?

2018-2020 Most ES time on ice

Name------ESTOI-GA---GA/60
Petry-------2876--157---3.28
Weber-----2261--100---2.65
Mete-------1957---69---2.12
Kulak-------1934---81---2.51
Chiarot-----1367---62---2.72
Fleury-------556---20---2.16
Folin---------516---23---2.67
Ouellet------452---18---2.39

And it's not because of being sheltered as his GA/60 is better with Weber or Petry (1.85), whereas he's 2.57 outside the top 4.


With Weber and Petry
Without Weber and Petry

Chiarot
979 47 2.88
388 17 2.63

Mete
1234 38 1.85
723 31 2.57

Kulak
1082 41 2.27
852 40 2.82

Nice work, for me I have a hard time taking posters serious when they say Mete will be in the AHL so I just ignore the post.

 

[Skip Bayless]

How can he have found a way to make it obsolete when he's been one of the most proefficient defensively?

2018-2020 Most ES time on ice

Name------ESTOI-GA---GA/60
Petry-------2876--157---3.28
Weber-----2261--100---2.65
Mete-------1957---69---2.12
Kulak-------1934---81---2.51
Chiarot-----1367---62---2.72
Fleury-------556---20---2.16
Folin---------516---23---2.67
Ouellet------452---18---2.39

And it's not because of being sheltered as his GA/60 is better with Weber or Petry (1.85), whereas he's 2.57 outside the top 4.


With Weber and Petry
Without Weber and Petry

Chiarot
979 47 2.88
388 17 2.63

Mete
1234 38 1.85
723 31 2.57

Kulak
1082 41 2.27
852 40 2.82

I don't trust solely numbers to determine defensive proficiency. Much less when it's only the final result of a GA.

That said, I don't see how that stat shines a light on how he uses his skill set.

What we've seen the last two years is a young D who struggles against bigger opposition and is too conservative offensively.

People say he's only 21 and that's why he's struggling, but that's not the D we drafted. That's why I think he needs the AHL in order to get back that confidence that he can become more of a two way D instead of a stay at home D who lacks the strength to play against tougher opposition.

The way he's currently playing, he wont be sticking in the NHL for too long.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don't trust solely numbers to determine defensive proficiency. Much less when it's only the final result of a GA.

That said, I don't see how that stat shines a light on how he uses his skill set.

What we've seen the last two years is a young D who struggles against bigger opposition and is too conservative offensively.

People say he's only 21 and that's why he's struggling, but that's not the D we drafted. That's why I think he needs the AHL in order to get back that confidence that he can become more of a two way D instead of a stay at home D who lacks the strength to play against tougher opposition.

The way he's currently playing, he wont be sticking in the NHL for too long.

He said it himself that he's focusing on playing safe and so far ot's worked out well.

Anybody who's seen him play out of the NHL knows he has puck skills and offensive awareness.

As I've said before, when his defensive game will become second nature, that's when we'll see him garner more points.

And GA/60 is pure output. If his deficiencies were so bad, it would definitely show-up in goals allowed, especially with 1200+ minutes on the top4.

 

[Wats]

He really needs to get a NHL shot.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He really needs to get a NHL shot.

It's exagerated. Go look at the sequences before he got his first goal. Kid was snake bitten. He was taking shooting lessons last summer and it showed, as he was on pace for 7-8 this season, before getting injured and being relegated to the 3rd pair.

 

[Skip Bayless]

He said it himself that he's focusing on playing safe and so far ot's worked out well.

Anybody who's seen him play out of the NHL knows he has puck skills and offensive awareness.

As I've said before, when his defensive game will become second nature, that's when we'll see him garner more points.

I don't think that works out well for young players in the long run, because it affects their confidence. To me it looks like he's playing scared to make a mistake, but is playing it off as trying to play "safe". I've seen that tale before.

I don't think he'll ever be a point producer, but his offense will come from being able to skate the puck out of pressure, using his speed to gain the zone in offensive situations, walking the blue line when needed. He's never been a playmaker nor a shooter, but his skating can allow him to open space for his teammates.

There's a way to clean up your game without changing your DNA as a player. You barely saw him skate the puck out of the zone last season.

Is there a stat that calculates how much time he spends on average in his own end every game? Because he tends to get hemmed in.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don't think that works out well for young players in the long run, because it affects their confidence. To me it looks like he's playing scared to make a mistake, but is playing it off as trying to play "safe". I've seen that tale before.

I don't think he'll ever be a point producer, but his offense will come from being able to skate the puck out of pressure, using his speed to gain the zone in offensive situations, walking the blue line when needed. He's never been a playmaker nor a shooter, but his skating can allow him to open space for his teammates.

There's a way to clean up your game without changing your DNA as a player. You barely saw him skate the puck out of the zone last season.

Is there a stat that calculates how much time he spends on average in his own end every game? Because he tends to get hemmed in.

Again, if he got hemmed into his zone more often than other players, it would show-up in GA/60.

One thing to consider, as a PMD, he becomes less efficient with worst forwards.

As for his offense, go look at his CHL highlights. Kid has a real nose for the net.

 

[26Mats]

He really needs to get a NHL shot.

His snapper and writer's improved a tone this year compared to last year.

 

[DAChampion]

Irs going to be hard for Mete next year. He might be the 7th dman (with Juulsen) behind Edmundson and Romanov.

 

[Habricot]

You know we might with Edmonston, Chiarot, Webber and Petry, Romanov, mete/Julsen have for once physicality on every pair and a puck moving guy on every pair as well... Mete will improve with time the question is will he improve fast enough ..

 

[Wats]

It's exagerated. Go look at the sequences before he got his first goal. Kid was snake bitten. He was taking shooting lessons last summer and it showed, as he was on pace for 7-8 this season, before getting injured and being relegated to the 3rd pair.

I'm not talking whether he can beat a goalie though, his shot generally lacks velocity to the point where I've seen many times opponents just stop the shot with their stick as if they are intercepting a pass. Harder to be a threat on the point if opposition knows you'll pass. Luckily his skating is high end but really think his game will take different level of he develops a Krug type shot.

 

[DAChampion]

Can a player develop shot strength? Where's does shot strength come from?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Can a player develop shot strength? Where's does shot strength come from?

Strenght, balance switch and positioning

MA Bergeron was tiny yet he had a rocket.

 

[Mrb1p]

Can a player develop shot strength? Where's does shot strength come from?

Shooting mechanics and nothing else, this includes weight, stick used, timing, etc. Im pretty sure Mete never worked on his shoy extensively, and hes not a big guy like Chiarot, Weber, Fleury, Petry, Juulsen, which means hed have to sacrifice working on other more importany parts of his game to see him get to 10 goals.

Useless.

 

[26Mats]

Shooting mechanics and nothing else, this includes weight, stick used, timing, etc. Im pretty sure Mete never worked on his shoy extensively, and hes not a big guy like Chiarot, Weber, Fleury, Petry, Juulsen, which means hed have to sacrifice working on other more importany parts of his game to see him get to 10 goals.

Useless.

He's worked a tone on his shot. It was a big focus last offseason. His wristers and snappers have much more velocity on them.

 

[26Mats]

Strenght, balance switch and positioning

MA Bergeron was tiny yet he had a rocket.

Krug is another. Not as hard as MAB, but still dangerous. Yannick Weber is another. Not a great player, but am elite shot.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Shooting mechanics and nothing else, this includes weight, stick used, timing, etc. Im pretty sure Mete never worked on his shoy extensively, and hes not a big guy like Chiarot, Weber, Fleury, Petry, Juulsen, which means hed have to sacrifice working on other more importany parts of his game to see him get to 10 goals.

Useless.

He did last summer and it showed early in the the season. He started off 3g 5a in 26 games, +6, playing mostly with Weber, before going away for 3 weeks because of injury and subsequently lost his spot.

 

[Mrb1p]

He did last summer and it showed early in the the season. He started off 3g 5a in 26 games, +6, playing mostly with Weber, before going away for 3 weeks because of injury and subsequently lost his spot.

Yeah, he did... and to what end ? Who cares if hes gonna score 5 goals a year lmao. His strengths lie elsewhere.

 

[montreal]

Can a player develop shot strength? Where's does shot strength come from?

yes, improve your overall strength, lower and upper plus core.

 

[Mrb1p]

yes, improve your overall strength, lower and upper plus core.

That would yield very minimal improvements, IMO. Caufield isnt strong at all, yet he can rip it with most of em. Same with KK. Debrincat, etc.

Its mostly about using physics to shoot hard.

Sometimes you can have a shooter like Pacioretty, Kovalchuk or Kovalev with a deceptively strong wrister that relies on wrist strength and stick whip but that requires elite level wrist strength, Mete wont get there, ever.

 

[montreal]

That would yield very minimal improvements, IMO. Caufield isnt strong at all, yet he can rip it with most of em. Same with KK. Debrincat, etc.

Its mostly about using physics to shoot hard.

Sometimes you can have a shooter like Pacioretty, Kovalchuk or Kovalev with a deceptively strong wrister that relies on wrist strength and stick whip but that requires elite level wrist strength, Mete wont get there, ever.

He's talking about shot strength though, you need to have some level of strength in order to shoot the puck hard. Caufield is great because he can pick it from anywhere. I assume the poster was just talking about improving slap shot strength so my comments weren't about wristers

 

[DAChampion]

yes, improve your overall strength, lower and upper plus core.

Thanks, it's good to know that there's hope for Mete to survive in the NHL. He will need a stronger shot, both to score goals, and to force the opposing players to open up passing limes.