Confirmed with Link: Vesey to EDM for 7th round pick

[Leafs at Knight]

Wasn't Button the one who thought that?

Dreger

 

[Menzinger]

Obvious statement is obvious. But the correct response to this transaction is who cares? Not "great asset management". As though it takes skill to get the lowest value return that is possible in a trade.

This is silly. If an asset is borderline worthless anything tangible in return is a net positive, Johnsson for example was a 7th round pick. Most draft busts don’t return anything at all.

 

[willmma]

I think the Leafs drafted Vessey in the first place, and hired his father for an office job, to woo the brother Vessey. That didn't pan out. They let go of the father and now Vessey. That is all.

 

[LeafsNation75]

"LOL Oilers what are you even doing?" Edmonton Oilers acquire the rights to Nolan Vesey from the Maple Leafs

I legit laughed very loud at the last thing written, I thought it was brilliant.

You realize this means Dubas has Chia on speed dial, though.

 

[Lauro]

When we get a pick, it’s a great thing.

When we give up one, it’s no big deal.

Is that how we are supposed to do it?

Getting a pick for nothing, giving up one for something.
Even you decriers should be able to spot the difference, it's not that difficult.

 

[Ciao]

Waste of a pick drafting him

Who were you sitting on at #158?

Only two of 60 players selected in the sixth and seventh rounds of the 2014 draft have played as much as 100 NHL games. Fifty-six of them have never played an NHL game at all.

What planet are you on, thinking that a sixth-round pick who gets signed to an ELC is a bust? Most sixth-round picks don't even get that far.

Kudos to the Leafs all the way around: firstly, for selecting a player good enough to eventually get an ELC from another team; and, secondly, for turning that sixth into another pick when the player isn't good enough to earn an ELC with the Leafs.

Well done. They get another ticket on a long-shot.

 

[Nithoniniel]

This is silly. If an asset is borderline worthless anything tangible in return is a net positive, Johnsson for example was a 7th round pick. Most draft busts don’t return anything at all.

Yeah. Johnsson, Engvall, and Sparks. That's three 7th rounders in the last 6 drafts that look like they'll reach the NHL. And it's not like Korostelev look like a bad 7th rounder either.

Somehow, that's our area of expertise.

 

[blueberrie]

I think the Leafs drafted Vessey in the first place, and hired his father for an office job, to woo the brother Vessey. That didn't pan out. They let go of the father and now Vessey. That is all.

The Leafs drafted Nolan in 2014 AND hired his dad on the off chance a current Predators prospect might use his UFA option 2 years later in 2016?

 

[SprDaVE]

The Leafs drafted Nolan in 2014 AND hired his dad on the off chance a current Predators prospect might use his UFA option 2 years later in 2016?

The Leafs drafted a player because they liked him at that spot. The end.

Also, as of now, Jim Vesey is still an amateur scout for the Leafs.

Some people love their conspiracy theories.

 

[Leafsman]

This.

It's a real minor trade but a major good sign.

Dubas is looking at every option, no matter how small or minor. He's also ready to go! Could be a great summer

 

[Pookie]

Getting a pick for nothing, giving up one for something.
Even you decriers should be able to spot the difference, it's not that difficult.

Let’s be factual.

Giving up a pick for something that is only useful for a short period of time.

2 second round picks for 5 playoff wins in 2 years. And the assets we got walked (or will walk).

 

[Anthrax442]

This.

It's a real minor trade but a major good sign.

Dubas is looking at every option, no matter how small or minor. He's also ready to go! Could be a great summer

You needed Mike in Barfalo to tell you that?

 

[DarkKnight]

Surprised the title isn’t “Dubas fleeces Oil”. Glad to have the long shot pick for the marginal talent.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Yeah. Johnsson, Engvall, and Sparks. That's three 7th rounders in the last 6 drafts that look like they'll reach the NHL. And it's not like Korostelev look like a bad 7th rounder either.

Somehow, that's our area of expertise.

And going way back Gunnarson and Stralman were 7th's too

Basically just gives the Leafs another kick at the can ... It's nice to get something back in these situations.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Edmonton actually gave us something for this junk?

 

[Leafsman]

You needed Mike in Barfalo to tell you that?

No, we just shared the same opinion and I thought his post was quite pertinent and deserving of a bump. A rare occurrence but as they say: even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Spirit of 67]

So random. I wonder if Edmonton is getting his brother from NY

Solid plan. I wonder if it will work.

 

[saltming]

Wasn't Button the one who thought that?

Him and or Dreger

 

[Mess]

I really don’t expect to get anything for prospects we no longer see upside in like Middleton, Piccinich and Mattinen recently, as loads of drafted players rights expire every year with no return for teams.

However just being able to get anything for a player we weren’t going to sign anyway and clearly didn’t see upside in is always a positive.

It’s laughable seeing posters criticize others for complimenting the trade, yeah it’s not groundbreaking, but it’s still a slick move from Dubas and it’s pretty much impossible to see it as a negative unless you saw NHL upside in Vesey.

That's right.

Hunter's drafting with late round picks ..

2015

2015 Entry	155	6	Stephen Desrocher	D	Oshawa Generals [OHL]
2015 Entry	185	7	Nikita Korostelev	R	Sarnia Sting [OHL]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2016

2016 Entry	101	4	Keaton Middleton	D	Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
2016 Entry	122	5	Vladimir Bobylev	L	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2016 Entry	152	6	Jack Walker	L	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2016 Entry	179	6	Nicolas Mattinen	D	London Knights [OHL]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

All released as unsigned and UFA or re-entering the draft as they went unsigned.

So with Vesey at least we get another opportunity to make a better pick.

 

[Mess]

We should bring back the amateur scouts before Mark Hunter arrived to make good use of the Vesey reclamation pick.

Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2014 Entry

188

7

Pierre Engvall

L

Frolunda (Sweden Jrs.)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2013 Entry

202

7

Andreas Johnsson

L

Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden)

9

2

1

3

0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2012 Entry

209

7

Viktor Loov

D

Sodertalje SK [Swe-1]

4

0

2

2

0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2011 Entry

190

7

Garret Sparks

G

Guelph Storm [OHL]

17

0

0

0

0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That is what we're looking for from a 7th round pick

 

[Notsince67]

Yeah. Johnsson, Engvall, and Sparks. That's three 7th rounders in the last 6 drafts that look like they'll reach the NHL. And it's not like Korostelev look like a bad 7th rounder either.

Somehow, that's our area of expertise.

Other notable 7th or later rounders in the past...

My favorite: Doug Gilmour

Henrik Lundqvist
Henrik Zetterberg
Pekka Rinne
Joe Pavelski
Dustin Byfuglien
Radim Vrbata
Jaroslav Halak
Brian Elliott
Matt Moulson
Ondrej Palat
Luc Robitaille
Theoren Fleury

 

[ACC1224]

This.

It's a real minor trade but a major good sign.

Dubas is looking at every option, no matter how small or minor. He's also ready to go! Could be a great summer

Is it known that the Oilers didn't approach Dubas about this?
To me that seems more likely.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Is it known that the Oilers didn't approach Dubas about this?
To me that seems more likely.

I would agree that seems more likely because why would a team give up anything for an NCAA drafted player if the team who drafted him didn't plan on signing them to an ELC deal, especially if they are going to become a UFA.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

So we trade for a 7th round pick after 2 years? Might as well just let him walk.

 

[Scott Malkinson]

I had Vesey ranked as our 38th prospect in the organization.

The rankings were done on March 8th.

It's incredible that we got a 7th rounder for him.

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