Proposal: (VAN/TOR) Jett Woo, Brendan Leipsic for Andreas Johnsson and Justin Holl

[Namikaze Minato]

Weird, but ok.

Whats really weird is what they call Kapanen.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Whats really weird is what they call Kapanen.

I put some dots together now. Thank you.

K a p a n e n is only two letters longer than K a p p y though. Must it really be shortened?

 

[glucker]

My dude...

Leipsic himself has accomplished more at the NHL level than Johnsson. Nobody really cares what he did in the AHL on stacked, veteran, overpaid Marlie teams.

I wouldn’t trade Leipsic for Johnsson alone.

Then you’re adding 18 year old Jett Woo just drafted in the 2nd round for AHL fodder. Sorry, I get you’re a Leafs fan who thinks he is trending up, but literally every team in the league has “Holls” that are worth zilch. 26 year old minor league player. Zero value.

This is a bad trade, no other way around it.

Leipsic was once a Leaf... and with that familiarity I don’t think there’s a single Leaf fan who would make that trade straight up.

I think that after seeing Johnsson at the end of last season with the Leafs, many had him ahead of Kapanen.

Leipsic’s ceiling is a grinder, Johnsson’s is top-6.

But agreed that Holl carries little value, and the difference between Leipsic and Johnnson isn’t Woo.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

I put some dots together now. Thank you.

K a p a n e n is only two letters longer than K a p p y though. Must it really be shortened?

Kappy is only two letters shorter than Kapanen though, must it really be explained?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Whopping I think you mean? (Auto correct?). Hes a 7th round pick, were you expecting him to be an NHL regular by age 20?

By age 24 absolutely. By 24 99% of the time you are what you are. Apparently that's a 20-30pt 13th forward for Johnsson.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Kappy is only two letters shorter than Kapanen though, must it really be explained?

Laziness is f***ing gross. Need more explanation?

 

[nbwingsfan]

the kid has only gotten 21 NHL games with limited minutes, and has 3goals/6pts.

how about giving him more than a handful of games? best player in the AHL by a lot last year, and that includes Kapanen and Sparks

Pulkinnen was the best player in the league before at the same age. You act like 6 points is impressive?

 

[DFAC]

Laziness is ****ing gross. Need more explanation?

K

(That's a shortened form for OK/Okay if you didn't know )

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Laziness is ****ing gross. Need more explanation?

Not knowing players simple nicknames is lazy as f***.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Not knowing players simple nicknames is lazy as ****.

I follow the Kings as I live in Los Angeles. Why the heck should I know Toronto players? If my guys go to the finals it will be vs pens caps bruins lightning.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

I follow the Kings as I live in Los Angeles. Why the heck should I know Toronto players? If my guys go to the finals it will be vs pens caps bruins lightning.

This thread doesn't involve the Kings and you don't know about Toronto players, so what value are you to a thread involving them?

 

[ScottishCanuck]

The Kings will be lucky if they make the playoffs, never mind the the finals

 

[joe dirte]

Leaf fans have been trying to sell high on Johnson all off season.... he might become a solid NHLer at some point but that's likely not going to be on the leafs… and he wont ever be valued at what he could become.

I just cant see him getting much more than a 3rd, maybe a 2nd from a desperate team

That's pretty close to what woo is though.

I'm not saying Vancouver should do it. Neither team should.

But some people acting like johnsson is worthless and woo carries so much value, when realistically it's no different than what he was drafted for just a couple of months ago, are out to lunch.

 

[ottomaddox]

Toronto already had Leipsic and they gave him up on waivers.

Are you just here to state facts or do you have a point?

I'm sure they didn't want to let Leipsic go, but they had to leave certain players unprotected. The same thing goes for 30 other team's.

 

[ottomaddox]

Why would the Leafs bring back Leipsic?????

For the reasons I just stated.

 

[ottomaddox]

Why would the Leafs bring back Leipsic?????

For the reasons I just stated.

 

[Lenerdosy]

A total of 17 NHL games (according to hockeyDB, might not be fully updated) for a 23/26 year old players and you expect us to give up our 2nd round pick from this past year? If you want to just swap for Leipsic then sure whatever but you sure the hell aren't getting Woo in that deal for some AHL fodder....

 

[Lenerdosy]

Leipsic is not any good and would not take a roster spot from any player on the Leafs. He and Holl are both AHL'ers.

Johnsson has looked bad this year but I'd rather have the reigning AHL playoff MVP as my healthy scratch than a guy who gets healthy scratched on the Canucks.

I don't blame Vancouver fans for not liking this deal because of Woo, but I hate this deal too.

And thats the thing, from a Canucks view we would much rather keep Woo, he seems like he might be a decent second pairing one day or at the worst bottom pairing with a bit of snarl. You're better off keeping Holl and honestly I can't see what people think Leipsic is, dude can dance with the puck but he's never going to be better than a 4th liner at best on a regular team.

 

[RebuildinVan]

Are Johnsson and Holl good character plugs? This seems like a Benning move, Id be pissed if Woo was thrown away

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

That's pretty close to what woo is though.

I'm not saying Vancouver should do it. Neither team should.

But some people acting like johnsson is worthless and woo carries so much value, when realistically it's no different than what he was drafted for just a couple of months ago, are out to lunch.

No i said johnson would get a 3rd possibly. Woo is 19 and a project, johnson is much older and not establidhed at nhl level.

They arnt close

 

[joe dirte]

No i said johnson would get a 3rd possibly. Woo is 19 and a project, johnson is much older and not establidhed at nhl level.

They arnt close

A project just taken in the mid second round.

Those who have paid attention to Johnsson would likely say he is an nhl player. He will never be a star but hes nhl capable.

Again I dont know why this is a discussion. The leafs have no use for jet woo anyway. And the OP tried to say it was really leipsic he wanted. That makes NO sense. They cut him loose because they had no use for him. And he ended up in waivers. He probably doesn't even make the leafs. They're gonna trade for him to put him back on the marlies? Why???

 

[dbaz]

lots of delusional leaf fans in here. the leafs never lost leipsic on waivers. they lost him in the expansion draft, thats totally different. he was simply the best player left exposed by them
moreover playoff ahl mvp means squat. look at the winners in the past 35years. how many were impact nhlers? lol

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Holl is on his way up, but Oz is putting in some solid minutes now. Eventually TOR will bring up Liljegren. Holl should be an NHLer, but he is losing out because of TOR's depth.

If you can't crack Toronto's defense than you're an AHL level player... that's how it goes

 

[nbwingsfan]

A project just taken in the mid second round.

Those who have paid attention to Johnsson would likely say he is an nhl player. He will never be a star but hes nhl capable.

Again I dont know why this is a discussion. The leafs have no use for jet woo anyway. And the OP tried to say it was really leipsic he wanted. That makes NO sense. They cut him loose because they had no use for him. And he ended up in waivers. He probably doesn't even make the leafs. They're gonna trade for him to put him back on the marlies? Why???

Not sure why you keep saying mid 2nd when 37th is quite clearly early. It's also kind of meaningless when players taken around that range are usually rated anywhere from late 1st to late 2nd depending on the team/ranking. For example, Woo was rated higher than Sandin in many rankings. Would you trade Sandin for the 2016 version of Pulkinnen who was doing even better than Johnsson? I sure hope not.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Except Johnsson was an AHL MVP....what has Woo done exactly?

Reid Boucher has been a PPG player in the AHL lately. So because neither Sandin or Durzi have done anything, Boucher is obviously more valuable. See how flawed that logic is?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

A project just taken in the mid second round.

Those who have paid attention to Johnsson would likely say he is an nhl player. He will never be a star but hes nhl capable.

Again I dont know why this is a discussion. The leafs have no use for jet woo anyway. And the OP tried to say it was really leipsic he wanted. That makes NO sense. They cut him loose because they had no use for him. And he ended up in waivers. He probably doesn't even make the leafs. They're gonna trade for him to put him back on the marlies? Why???

I think woo was a strong candidate to be a 1st round pick.... he has a lot of upside and is costcontrolled/young for a long period of time.

No one is saying Johnson sucks, he just doesn't have much trade value.