Confirmed with Link: [VAN/PIT] Canucks Acquire Mark Friedman (RD) & Ty Glover (FW) for Jack Rathbone (LD) & Karel Plasek (FW)

[orcatown]

Rathbone had decent to good games in Laval last weekend so that might have helped the Canucks move him. His goal was a high end blast from the blue line which probably no one else on the Canuck team can make. Showed off his speed on some of the break outs. Had his usual problems around the net but, all in all, showed the potential that made him interesting in the first case. So you could see why a team would take a flyer on him

Yet Rathbone was not making the Canucks. With Hughes around he was redundant and you were never going with two small players especially when one was so much better. But if Pittsburg can surround him with some size, there's still a chance he can contribute.

Plasek was another that had to be moved. Looked ok in the Prospect game but other wise has never done anything to indicate he is NHL material. I guess Penquins see something here but this part of the trade (Glover for Plasek) seems a probably a nothing trade. Would say Glover is the more likely prospect and does provide Abby with a little more needed size and grit.

Freidman is fringe but does have some NHL games. Gives me a bit of Stillman vibe (and that's not good) but definitely more likely to help the team than Rathbone. At this point probably better than Juulsen and there is certainly a wide open position for him to with the Canucks.

 

[HairyKneel]

I am one of the few on here that actually likes Rathbone. I hope he get a chance in Pitt

I think we will be a solid d man in the league for a long time

Unless he’s getting a lot of one on one with Larry Robinson, I don’t see it. He’s 24 and he still can’t defend. He seems like he’s always turned the wrong way, doesn’t get his stick in the lane and his gap control is horrific. He isn’t physical whatsoever and doesn’t fight for body position around the net. He isn’t an NHL player at all right now and he’s going to need t do a 180 to man a third pair. Hey if he does, great for him but he was never going to play here.

 

[Tact]

Im really impressed with PA recently. They’re identifying positions of weakness and addressing them decisively. Big difference from when he first got on board, seemed like he was procrastinating and ended up doing nothing.

As for the trade, since last years training camp I wasn’t impressed at all with Rathbone - he was a liability defensively. He’s a redundant piece and admittedly I don’t know much about Friedman. But from what I’m reading in this thread - #6 physical RD is a big win as far as I’m concerned.

Well done. Let’s hope he can replace Juulsen.

 

[Son of Petter]

I followed Friedman closely at the end of his college career and I always thought there was an nhler there. He’s carving out a role much different than he played in college but this is an improvement over Juulsen no doubt.

 

[geebster]

Going to miss yelling Wrath Boner the couple times a year he's in the lineup. That's my only takeaway.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Aha! I actually thought Mark Friedman as a target the other when I was looking at the Penguins roster.

Once had a fair amount of hype on the forum and was thrown in many trade proposals.

Win-win deal. Friedman is a solid call up option who can handle a string of games. Ideally, not a guy you want to plug into the lineup long-term (can really say that about Juulsen and Myers at this point). I think it will be a decent stop-gap until we sign Bear or make a bigger trade.

Reality is many teams aren't itching to make substantial trades at this junction of a season.

 

[m9]

Judging by Pens fans' reaction to this, I like the trade quite a bit.

Physical #6 RHD who draws a lot of penalties. Fine with me.

What does "draws a lot of penalties" even mean though for a #6/#7 d-man? Unless he is absolutely absurd at this I can't imagine it amounts to much over the course of a season, but happy to be shown otherwise.

 

[MS]

Unless he’s getting a lot of one on one with Larry Robinson, I don’t see it. He’s 24 and he still can’t defend. He seems like he’s always turned the wrong way, doesn’t get his stick in the lane and his gap control is horrific. He isn’t physical whatsoever and doesn’t fight for body position around the net. He isn’t an NHL player at all right now and he’s going to need t do a 180 to man a third pair. Hey if he does, great for him but he was never going to play here.

He's bad positionally defensively but the even bigger problem is that he plays scared and doesn't like to get hit, and when he's under a heavy forecheck without much time to make decisions he just flings the puck away. Doesn't have the poise you expect from a 'skill defender' and doesn't transition the puck nearly as well as you'd think his skills would dictate as a result.

The only hope I have for him is if a bad team like Montreal who is lacking a skill D puts him into PP1 minutes and then hides the hell out of him at ES like what Minnesota are doing with Calen Addison.

 

[StickShift]

Not too familiar with the player—but we needed to try something different than Noah Juulsen.

I know it is a joke that we only acquire former Pens—but it does give me some comfort. Our pro-scouting will be that much more informed about his capabilities than if he was from any other organization. Much less of a roll of the dice.

 

[Petey O]

What does "draws a lot of penalties" even mean though for a #6/#7 d-man? Unless he is absolutely absurd at this I can't imagine it amounts to much over the course of a season, but happy to be shown otherwise.

Good question. He's probably a great agitator, or running some ridiculously lucky, unsustainable streak of drawing penalties. Or, he's very good at embellishment or putting his body in the right place as bait for guys to take penalties against him. I don't remember ever watching him play.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Re read your post

I re-read all my posts. I am a big fan of me.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

I re-read all my posts. I am a big fan of me.

Did you call them penis fans on purpose? I assumed it was an unfortunate typo. Carry on

 

[Vector]

What does "draws a lot of penalties" even mean though for a #6/#7 d-man? Unless he is absolutely absurd at this I can't imagine it amounts to much over the course of a season, but happy to be shown otherwise.

It's a good question so I looked it up. Over the last two seasons, according to Natural Stat Trick, he drew the 7th most penalties on the Penguins.

Name	TOI	Penalties Drawn
Jake Guentzel	3096:27:00​	61​
Evgeni Malkin	2275:07:00​	41​
Sidney Crosby	3030:00:00​	38​
Brock McGinn	1751:04:00​	33​
Jason Zucker	1828:48:00​	32​
Bryan Rust	2576:04:00​	26​
Mark Friedman	677:34:00​	25​
Josh Archibald	618:34:00​	24​
Kris Letang	3601:31:00​	24​
Marcus Pettersson	2526:52:00​	22​

 

[StickShift]

I’m curious to know if “draws a lot of penalties” is coded for “falls down a lot”

 

[F A N]

 

[m9]

It's a good question so I looked it up. Over the last two seasons, according to Natural Stat Trick, he drew the 7th most penalties on the Penguins.

Name	TOI	Penalties Drawn
Jake Guentzel	3096:27:00​	61​
Evgeni Malkin	2275:07:00​	41​
Sidney Crosby	3030:00:00​	38​
Brock McGinn	1751:04:00​	33​
Jason Zucker	1828:48:00​	32​
Bryan Rust	2576:04:00​	26​
Mark Friedman	677:34:00​	25​
Josh Archibald	618:34:00​	24​
Kris Letang	3601:31:00​	24​
Parcus Pettersson	2526:52:00​	22​

Interesting, it does seem really high. He's basically drawn a penalty every 2 games. Assuming he's not taking one himself in most of those situations that's kind of useful.

 

[F A N]

It's a good question so I looked it up. Over the last two seasons, according to Natural Stat Trick, he drew the 7th most penalties on the Penguins.

Name	TOI	Penalties Drawn
Jake Guentzel	3096:27:00​	61​
Evgeni Malkin	2275:07:00​	41​
Sidney Crosby	3030:00:00​	38​
Brock McGinn	1751:04:00​	33​
Jason Zucker	1828:48:00​	32​
Bryan Rust	2576:04:00​	26​
Mark Friedman	677:34:00​	25​
Josh Archibald	618:34:00​	24​
Kris Letang	3601:31:00​	24​
Parcus Pettersson	2526:52:00​	22​

We should acquire this Parcus Pettersson.

 

[Vector]

Interesting, it does seem really high. He's basically drawn a penalty every 2 games. Assuming he's not taking one himself in most of those situations that's kind of useful.

Across the entire league he was 288th in penalties drawn over the last two seasons and the only players ahead of him with similar TOI is Archibald, Givani Smith, Gadjovich, Borowiecki, Simmonds, Max Jones, and Jeffrey Viel. Given the names on that list, it's including fighting majors so I'd have to look deeper for minor penalties only.

We should acquire this Parcus Pettersson.

God damn it!

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

According to pens fan
Despite not physically gifted, Friedman is a lowkey pest type of player

 

[pitseleh]

It's a good question so I looked it up. Over the last two seasons, according to Natural Stat Trick, he drew the 7th most penalties on the Penguins.

Name	TOI	Penalties Drawn
Jake Guentzel	3096:27:00​	61​
Evgeni Malkin	2275:07:00​	41​
Sidney Crosby	3030:00:00​	38​
Brock McGinn	1751:04:00​	33​
Jason Zucker	1828:48:00​	32​
Bryan Rust	2576:04:00​	26​
Mark Friedman	677:34:00​	25​
Josh Archibald	618:34:00​	24​
Kris Letang	3601:31:00​	24​
Parcus Pettersson	2526:52:00​	22​

Across the entire league he was 288th in penalties drawn over the last two seasons and the only players ahead of him with similar TOI is Archibald, Givani Smith, Gadjovich, Borowiecki, Simmonds, Max Jones, and Jeffrey Viel. Given the names on that list, it's including fighting majors so I'd have to look deeper for minor penalties only.

That’s nuts for a defenceman. By far the most penalties drawn / 60 by a defenceman who has played at least 500 minutes the past three seasons.

He’s drawn almost twice as many penalties as he’s taken. Most defenders will take 2-4x as many penalties as they draw.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Did you call them penis fans on purpose? I assumed it was an unfortunate typo. Carry on

what is unfortunate about penis?

It's a good question so I looked it up. Over the last two seasons, according to Natural Stat Trick, he drew the 7th most penalties on the Penguins.

Name	TOI	Penalties Drawn
Jake Guentzel	3096:27:00​	61​
Evgeni Malkin	2275:07:00​	41​
Sidney Crosby	3030:00:00​	38​
Brock McGinn	1751:04:00​	33​
Jason Zucker	1828:48:00​	32​
Bryan Rust	2576:04:00​	26​
Mark Friedman	677:34:00​	25​
Josh Archibald	618:34:00​	24​
Kris Letang	3601:31:00​	24​
Marcus Pettersson	2526:52:00​	22​

Archibald drew a lot too. Is there any correlation between anti-vaxxing and drawing penalties?

 

[TruGr1t]

That’s nuts for a defenceman. By far the most penalties drawn / 60 by a defenceman who has played at least 500 minutes the past three seasons.

He’s drawn almost twice as many penalties as he’s taken. Most defenders will take 2-4x as many penalties as they draw.

Stecher was like that if I recall. Used to draw an inordinate amount of penalties. Think in 2019 or something he drew the most penalities out of any d-man in the league.

 

[Vector]

Interesting, it does seem really high. He's basically drawn a penalty every 2 games. Assuming he's not taking one himself in most of those situations that's kind of useful.

That’s nuts for a defenceman. By far the most penalties drawn / 60 by a defenceman who has played at least 500 minutes the past three seasons.

He’s drawn almost twice as many penalties as he’s taken. Most defenders will take 2-4x as many penalties as they draw.

Dug a little deeper to take away fighting majors. So of the guys with low icetime he's 3rd.

Name	Majors	PD	PD-Majors
Max Jones	-4​	32​	28​
Josh Archibald	-2​	27​	25​
Givani Smith	-5​	29​	24​
Mark Friedman	-2​	25​	23​
Jeffrey Viel	-8​	27​	19​
Mark Borowiecki	-17​	31​	14​
Jonah Gadjovich	-19​	31​	12​

According to pens fan
Despite not physically gifted, Friedman is a face puncher type of player

He's only had two fighting majors over the last two seasons.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Dug a little deeper to take away fighting majors. So of the guys with low icetime he's 3rd.

Name	Majors	PD	PD-Majors
Max Jones	-4​	32​	28​
Josh Archibald	-2​	27​	25​
Givani Smith	-5​	29​	24​
Mark Friedman	-2​	25​	23​
Jeffrey Viel	-8​	27​	19​
Mark Borowiecki	-17​	31​	14​
Jonah Gadjovich	-19​	31​	12​

He's only had two fighting majors over the last two seasons.

sorry mb. By face puncher i dont mean he fights alot

I mean he's a lowkey pest

 

[Peen]

Pretty happy with this deal. More so happy we got out of the first three games with a winning record with half an NHL blue line, luckily.

Adding a 6-7 is not insignificant (if that’s what he is). In theory, I would push back a bit on a Peeke trade now unless you are 100% he can partner Hughes or Cole.

They should really be looking for a rental like Tanev. I know there’s been murmurs of calgary looking to extend him, but if those talks don’t go anywhere soon, I’m sure he’s going to be on the market.