GDT: Unofficially Official 19-20 Training Camp Thread

[lilidk]

Good start for the young d.

Nemeth, Dekeyser and Hronek looked great and ready for top 4 duties.

Cholowski, Kaski and Seider have more than closed any perceived gap on bowey, Daley, ericsson etc already imo.

Rooting for Veleno and Rasmussen to play Nielson and Ehn out of the lineup, so we can consider a youth party on the big club instead of GR.

Ehn is 23 very good 3-4 line player. Veleno and Rasmussen potential top 6

 

[Marky9er]

I haven't found anyone that likes him. It's not an unpopular stance you're taking. He's garbage.

I really liked hearing him say "scores!" back in the day. It was the team I liked though. He was just the messenger.

 

[deca guard]

mal's sunday nite from tc extensive report -

Impressions from the third day of the Red Wings’ training camp ’19

'' #27 Michael Rasmussen: I’m not going to put words in the coach’s mouth, but coach Blashill made it very plain that the Red Wings view 20-year-old Michael Rasmussen as a center, and as a two-way center who can both win faceoffs in his own end and as a two-way center who can tip in goals, the 6’6,” 221-pound Rasmussen is going to have a damn hard time earning a spot on the Wings’ roster. ''

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Has anyone heard of Hronek bulking up this summer? Media still says he's "170 lbs.", which is very light, especially a Dman. If he's playing top pair or even 2nd pairing, likely both with DDK, he needs to add at least 15lbs. of muscle. 185 is still small, but not Hirose-esque.

 

[Winger98]

mal's sunday nite from tc extensive report -

Impressions from the third day of the Red Wings’ training camp ’19

'' #27 Michael Rasmussen: I’m not going to put words in the coach’s mouth, but coach Blashill made it very plain that the Red Wings view 20-year-old Michael Rasmussen as a center, and as a two-way center who can both win faceoffs in his own end and as a two-way center who can tip in goals, the 6’6,” 221-pound Rasmussen is going to have a damn hard time earning a spot on the Wings’ roster. ''

not the worst thing for the guy to go to GR, hold down a top6 center spot, and just get a bunch of reps in. Same with Veleno, tbh.

 

[MBH]

not the worst thing for the guy to go to GR, hold down a top6 center spot, and just get a bunch of reps in. Same with Veleno, tbh.

If he's gonna be a center, he's got sooooo much work to do.

 

[HIFE]

I've grown to tolerate Art for 2 weeks of the year. The production is a bit hokey but you've got to appreciate the quality streams.And not every team is broadcasting their inter-squad games.

The funny thing to me is after the p. tourney and R&W game... no one really stood out. They're all simply good/average hockey players. Without Larkin and AA (for the 2nd period) we are completely devoid of star talent.

Don't get me wrong-there were positives. Kuffner played great and Veleno is progressing quickly. I agree with others that Seider is solid, doesn't look out of place one bit.

Still I wanted to see more from Hirose. He's penciled in on a 2nd line yet vs. mostly younger guys he didn't dominate like I thought. You take Ehn, Bowey, Erne, Glendening, Filppula, Daley,... (I could name 75% of the team) the roster is the definition of mediocre.

You have to wonder if this is the year the Wings hit rock bottom. Overladen with vets and those with the best hope are still too young. Even Hronek and Cholowski have a long ways to go to be near the peak of their abilities.

All this said I'm as excited as ever to watch the Wings give it their all. As usual there will probably be plenty of injuries and for Blashill a whole lotta' jugglin'! I can't believe pre-season starts Tuesday. It'll be fun to see how Seider and Co. stack up vs. better competition.

 

[Mijatovic]

Well at least we will be mediocre to not get blown out of the water every single week. But yeah, its going to be a hard slog to see this team turning it around any time soon. We need a prospect to come out of nowhere and just kill it.

 

[deca guard]

yzerman wants razz to be a center :
Red Wings want Michael Rasmussen to establish himself at center

 

[Winger98]

yzerman wants razz to be a center :
Red Wings want Michael Rasmussen to establish himself at center

Notice the name Blashill left off the list of guys Rasmussen has to beat out for a roster spot at center? Veleno. GR should be a pretty interesting team to keep an eye on this year, at least.

 

[Oddbob]

Notice the name Blashill left off the list of guys Rasmussen has to beat out for a roster spot at center? Veleno. GR should be a pretty interesting team to keep an eye on this year, at least.

I don't get there or Blash's view on the situation. They want him to be a shut down center, when to date he doesn't play like that, and seems to go away from what he is good at, which is net front. He skates well for a big guy, but he doesn't skate fast enough or well enough to be a high end shut down guy so it really seems weird that is how they view him.

 

[Flowah]

not the worst thing for the guy to go to GR, hold down a top6 center spot, and just get a bunch of reps in. Same with Veleno, tbh.

On the other hand, they do seem to bring up centers as wingers if they think the player is good enough. For a guy who spent most of the year in the NHL last season sending him back down isn't a great sign to me. Then again I've never been overly impressed with Rasmussen.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

yzerman wants razz to be a center :
Red Wings want Michael Rasmussen to establish himself at center

Good

That is what we drafted... a center and that is where we need him

So go to GR for two years and develop
Maybe he is a 3rd line centre but you can never have too much depth down the middle

 

[Mister Ed]

You have to wonder if this is the year the Wings hit rock bottom. Overladen with vets and those with the best hope are still too young. Even Hronek and Cholowski have a long ways to go to be near the peak of their abilities.

I think that having a top line (Bertuzzi-Larkin-Mantha) is going to give a lot of stability this year and I really do think that first time in a long while, the young kids will feel that this is their team, that they can play the way they want and can.

It's going to be fun to watch this year!

 

[deca guard]

a few words from blash -
WXYZ’s Galli speaks with Jeff Blashill

 

[Henkka]

I don't get there or Blash's view on the situation. They want him to be a shut down center, when to date he doesn't play like that, and seems to go away from what he is good at, which is net front. He skates well for a big guy, but he doesn't skate fast enough or well enough to be a high end shut down guy so it really seems weird that is how they view him.

You doesn't have to be that fast, when you have that ultimate reach. His stick will cover huge area defensively, and that's nowadays defence. Breaking plays.

Rasmussen was also praised about his faceoffs, when he last time played center. That would be interesting so see, if he is still great at those.

 

[Winger98]

I don't get there or Blash's view on the situation. They want him to be a shut down center, when to date he doesn't play like that, and seems to go away from what he is good at, which is net front. He skates well for a big guy, but he doesn't skate fast enough or well enough to be a high end shut down guy so it really seems weird that is how they view him.

I think he played more of a shutdown role in juniors, and I think he has the tools to do it in the NHL. Do I think he can be a Kopitar or Getzlaf sort of guy? No, I really don't. I see the guy as a potential Bobby Holik, though. He skates well enough to do it because of his size. He cuts down a lot of angles and passing lanes because of it, and if he can become proficient at faceoffs, he'll be able to control more plays right from the start.

He might end up permanently on the wing, but I think it's a good thing that the Wings still see him as a center. A new management team still sees upside there, so we don't have to maybe just chalk it up to Holland's optimism.

On the other hand, they do seem to bring up centers as wingers if they think the player is good enough. For a guy who spent most of the year in the NHL last season sending him back down isn't a great sign to me. Then again I've never been overly impressed with Rasmussen.

I don't see sending him to GR as a bad sign because I think that's where they would have, ideally, had him last year. They had to choose between putting him in a league where they didn't think he would learn anything good versus at least being in Detroit and being exposed to higher end hockey and being forced to grow a bit. This year he gets moved to GR to really work on his game and be where he needs to be. Would we be feeling better about Rasmussen if he stayed down last year, dominated guys a whole lot smaller and weaker to pad his stats, and then went to GR this year?

 

[MBH]

Not sure I like this "Rasmussen at Center" nonsense.
GUy is too slow to be a winger, let a lone a center.
I think this is just something they're saying to send him down after spending a full season in the NHL.

 

[Ezekial]

Some people on this very forum said Larkin might just be a winger during his second season.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

It kinda looks like we're seeing a subtle watering down of expectations for Rasmussen. Notice they're talking a lot about defensive ability. This might be their way of suggesting Rasmussen is more of a bottom six guy on this team.

I mean, he's no Larkin and he's no Veleno. He's not even a Frans Nielsen to this point. So we can probably expect him to slot in below those guys.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

It kinda looks like we're seeing a subtle watering down of expectations for Rasmussen. Notice they're talking a lot about defensive ability. This might be their way of suggesting Rasmussen is more of a bottom six guy on this team.

I mean, he's no Larkin and he's no Veleno. He's not even a Frans Nielsen to this point. So we can probably expect him to slot in below those guys.

With our current "depth" at C, I have a feeling Ras won't make the Wings until late in 20-21 season as a 3C/3W/2nd PP Net-front specialist, Flip replacement @TDL. There's little offense & defense in his game as of today. So a much larger, better skating Holmstrom, who is being groomed to play as a shut-down C. I don't see him in the top 6 anytime soon, if ever, I just don't see the skill needed to do it. He could still be very useful in that role, but I'd think about packaging him with a pick + ? for a Dman.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

It kinda looks like we're seeing a subtle watering down of expectations for Rasmussen. Notice they're talking a lot about defensive ability. This might be their way of suggesting Rasmussen is more of a bottom six guy on this team.

I mean, he's no Larkin and he's no Veleno. He's not even a Frans Nielsen to this point. So we can probably expect him to slot in below those guys.

Drafting a guy at 9 who turns into a consistent bottom-six player is not that bad. I never expected Rasmussen to be a top-line guy. He didn't have the head or the skills for it. Although it's only two years ago, the 2017 draft looks like it might be the worst overall since 1999. I wouldn't be surprised if Rasmussen is the only Wings pick from that draft that plays a single NHL game

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Notice the name Blashill left off the list of guys Rasmussen has to beat out for a roster spot at center? Veleno. GR should be a pretty interesting team to keep an eye on this year, at least.

Confirmed my 59.99 season package today for the Griffins. Not a bad price in my opinion, I like that the AHL offers single team package.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

It kinda looks like we're seeing a subtle watering down of expectations for Rasmussen. Notice they're talking a lot about defensive ability. This might be their way of suggesting Rasmussen is more of a bottom six guy on this team.

I mean, he's no Larkin and he's no Veleno. He's not even a Frans Nielsen to this point. So we can probably expect him to slot in below those guys.

No, this is them being able to have him learn to be the C he was drafted to be. He couldn't go to the AHL last year and he wasn't good enough to be a C at the NHL level last year.

Not sure I like this "Rasmussen at Center" nonsense.
GUy is too slow to be a winger, let a lone a center.
I think this is just something they're saying to send him down after spending a full season in the NHL.

Why? It's what he was drafted to be. It's the position he was drafted for. He's tall and lanky It's entirely possible that his game has always been more of a center's game and he looked out of place on a wing. I mean, why don't you just call for cutting him, if you think he's too slow to be a winger or a center? I mean, keeping him on if you think he sucks is throwing good money after bad, right?

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

No, this is them being able to have him learn to be the C he was drafted to be. He couldn't go to the AHL last year and he wasn't good enough to be a C at the NHL level last year.



Why? It's what he was drafted to be. It's the position he was drafted for. He's tall and lanky It's entirely possible that his game has always been more of a center's game and he looked out of place on a wing. I mean, why don't you just call for cutting him, if you think he's too slow to be a winger or a center? I mean, keeping him on if you think he sucks is throwing good money after bad, right?

Why cut him? He can be a perfectly valuable AHL/NHL bubble guy. There are plenty of them at training camp.