Tyson Barrie Discussion
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Wendelstache
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Get a this assclown out of here...
This guy is the 2nd coming of Brett Lebda.
This guy is the 2nd coming of Brett Lebda.
I know many on here hate him, but why not let the guy have a bunch of PP1 time to see what happens. It's not like our PP can get much worse. Reilly isn't a PP specialist by any means. But that would mean trying something different and Babcock doesn't do that
Trapper
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If you are keeping Babcock, move Barrie now.
If a Bennett for Barrie deal is feasible, do it.
If you are changing the coach in the next 3 games, keep him and see what happens.
Hustlr
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I’d be willing to give him a full restart if we get a new coach.
If it goes another ~20 games, he’s done.
Trapper
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I don't even think we can wait that long.
If you aren't changing the coach, you might as well unload the UFAs, ride it out and change the coach next year.
MyBudJT
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Thank god for Kerfoot this guy either doesn’t care or cant pick up our system try to get rid of him probably going to get nothing for him anyways
Barrie has been a top pairing defense man most of his career. Also a PP specialist. He comes here and suddenly he's neither? I think some of the fault lies with a GM who traded for him not sure how his coach would use him. Most of the fault lies with the coach who has transformed a solid veteran into a scrub in a few months. Is this the coach playing mind games with the GM for getting rid of Hainsey? Or is this the coach just being stubborn and pairing him in a place the player is uncomfortable while using Cody Ceci as a top pairing d-man. Cody effing Ceci has never been a top pairing d-man anywhere. I think Reilly and Barrie should be top pairing and both on the PP.
If you try to give a restart and he fails Miserably you’ll get nothing in a trade for him maybe we can find another GM as dumb as ours you never know everyone has their off days but if you let him play 20 more games might get nothing i’m wondering if he’s sulking because he got traded he didn’t want to leave where he was could that be a possibility?
Thank god he has 8 points in 20 games for us, or else we would have been out of the playoffs...
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It's time for a next season retool now.
That doesn't mean you have to touch Matthews/JT/Marner/Nylander/Rielly until we see a new coach.
But you can touch the rest, move the UFAs, and look to make 1 or 2 weaknesses stronger for next year.
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GM went and purchased the wrong type and style of player and is now miscast in his new role on the Leafs.
Barrie acted as a #1 dman in Colorado, he played the point on the #1P with MacKinnon and company and as a result was able to pile up the points. The problem in Toronto Leafs already have Morgan Rielly filling that role on the #1PP unit and coming off a 70 point and Norris like season. So now Barrie plays down the depth chart and in different situations than those he excelled at..
Nobody in Leafs land would believe that Morgan needs to be demoted from his role, and replaced by Barrie and neither does the coach staying loyal to Rielly, so its not a coaching problem.
Colorado was smart enough to understand that since they were preparing to replace Barrie with Kyle Makar, they understood he is a defensive liability and didn't simply move him down the depth chart but moved him out and even willing to eat 1/2 his salary to boot to ensure the trade went through. Should have been a red flag of buyer beware when a team is that motivated to move a player as productive as he is offensive.
Barrie was a -68 +/- over the course of his last 4 seasons in Colorado despite putting up loft offensive numbers to offset and help mask his play away from the puck.
Barrie is now a -10 +/- the worst on the Leafs being exposed for his weak 5v5 play and without the same offensive opportunities he had in Colorado the offsetting offense is not there and now he looks like a square peg in a round hole in Toronto..
You have to take the good with the bad with Barrie because that is the type of player he is. Even paired with Muzzin he is still getting exposed defensively who is likely Leafs best defensive Dman.
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ShaneFalco
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I repeat:
Leafs 5v5 goal differential with Barrie on the ice this year: 32.35%
Leafs 5v5 goal differential without Barrie on the ice this year: 55.56%
With Barrie off the ice, the Leafs have the 7th best goal differential in the league.
As soon as he steps on, they go to dead last by 8 freaking %.
System? Babcock?
Why the hell isnt it affecting the rest of the team that badly? Is Dermott that different a player? Yea, he is I guess. He can win board battles and doesnt flub passes continually.....how about not blowing the zone hanging your partner out to dry continually like Dermott too.
High danger chance differential goes from 42.86% with Barrie on the ice to almost 50% without him!
Shooting % goes from 4.8% to almost 11%!
...and he's getting 54% Ozone faceoff starts.
On the powerplay?
For all the shots he takes 5v5, he sure doesnt shoot on the PP unless its at someones shins.
55 players have played 40+ PP minutes this year.
Barrie ranks:
55th for shots on goal/60
52nd in points/60
Tied with another player for last for individual scoring chances for/60 (with 0).
His highest rated individual stat is he's 3rd in hits taken/60
How is he compared to Rielly on the PP?
Rielly = 7.9 goals for/60 on the PP which is kinda meh but still 23rd in the league.
Barrie = 3.61 goals/60 on the PP. 5v5 with Dermott, the team is at 3.85 goals/60 5v5....jeez.
You guys can rationalize how its systemic any way you want to but this guy sucks so far. Rightly demoted until he fixes his game.
Leafs 5v5 goal differential with Barrie on the ice this year: 32.35%
Leafs 5v5 goal differential without Barrie on the ice this year: 55.56%
With Barrie off the ice, the Leafs have the 7th best goal differential in the league.
As soon as he steps on, they go to dead last by 8 freaking %.
System? Babcock?
Why the hell isnt it affecting the rest of the team that badly? Is Dermott that different a player? Yea, he is I guess. He can win board battles and doesnt flub passes continually.....how about not blowing the zone hanging your partner out to dry continually like Dermott too.
High danger chance differential goes from 42.86% with Barrie on the ice to almost 50% without him!
Shooting % goes from 4.8% to almost 11%!
...and he's getting 54% Ozone faceoff starts.
On the powerplay?
For all the shots he takes 5v5, he sure doesnt shoot on the PP unless its at someones shins.
55 players have played 40+ PP minutes this year.
Barrie ranks:
55th for shots on goal/60
52nd in points/60
Tied with another player for last for individual scoring chances for/60 (with 0).
His highest rated individual stat is he's 3rd in hits taken/60
How is he compared to Rielly on the PP?
Rielly = 7.9 goals for/60 on the PP which is kinda meh but still 23rd in the league.
Barrie = 3.61 goals/60 on the PP. 5v5 with Dermott, the team is at 3.85 goals/60 5v5....jeez.
You guys can rationalize how its systemic any way you want to but this guy sucks so far. Rightly demoted until he fixes his game.
At this point it wouldn’t hurt to try and have him quarterback the first pp. it’s already struggling as is.
I would also move Barrie to the third pair it may reduce his usage but against easier completion he may excel and get his confidence back.
This will also give you a look at Muzzin / Holl as a shut down pair. If both these guys throw there weight around a little more that may light some fire across the bench and get everyone going
I would also move Barrie to the third pair it may reduce his usage but against easier completion he may excel and get his confidence back.
This will also give you a look at Muzzin / Holl as a shut down pair. If both these guys throw there weight around a little more that may light some fire across the bench and get everyone going
Here is the thing you are missing. You bring the guy in here. and then you ask him to reinvent his game. Why not say to him look we are gonna change our breakout to the avs breakout so you can excel. Put both wingers on the hash. Bring your centre down low to protect the net and let Barrie decide how the breakout goes. Let him QB it. Let him skate it up ice and use guys as he sees fit on give and gos.
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MyBudJT
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If you was a rookie then maybe he could adjust but this is a guy whose been succeeding the way he plays for years. If we are keeping the Babs system then trade Barrie for a 1st rounder next year when draft class is best in a long long time.
It is a very complex system designed by Babs. But it is based on a triangle approach with 1 forward, usually centre, and 2 defenders with his desired spacing. The 2 other forwards, usually wingers, play high trying to move the attacking defenders off the line. One often moves out to other teams blue line depending on positioning of puck and whether a change is in order. Because there are not easy winger outlet passes you often see our guys flip the puck up in air to clear zone which is Babs strategy when you can't pass your way out of the forecheck. If we had great defenders with amazing hands we might have a chance but truth is we don't. But we do have 3 defenders with amazing skating skills. We are asking those 3 guys to be amazing passers. This is a FUNDAMENTAL problem. It is why we are doing so poorly.
Mess
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Dubas is an analytics guru so these stats are not lost on the person in charge of making player personnel decisions.
If I would provide my 2 cents advice, then it would be pick up the phone when other GMs are calling and listen to all offers, as Barrie is a square peg in a round hole on the Leafs and the data supports how much he is struggling beyond just the old fashion eye test.
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