Tyson Barrie Discussion

Al14

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If dumb dumb doesn't trade both
Barrie and Ceci at the deadline then he is really ****ing dumb .

We will need assets for a top 4 young right dman

Trade for Hainsey at the deadline ( 3 Rd Rd pk or prospect )

Bring up Ljiligren or Sandin
Do you realize it takes another GM to WANT the players you would like Dubas to trade?

I can see another GM wanting Barrie, however, Ceci might not be that wanted around the league, especially because he has apparently failed as a decent D according to 2 fan bases.

The more we bash our players doesn't mean there is an increased disire for other teams to trade for them.
 

LeafingTheWay

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I agree with you
Muzzin and Holl have been great
Jake is showing Holl how to be a tough dman
Shutdown pair this yr and next yr

I would trade Barrie and Ceci ( eat 1 mil )

Trade for Hainsey ( 3 Rd or prospect )

Rielly Hainsey
Muzzin Holl
Dermot Ljiligren

I think our d would be better

Oh, you don't know about my stance on Hainsey :laugh:

I think he's been terrible last year and this year. He was good the year before that though.

For example in today's Ottawa game, so many zone-exits by him were just flipping the puck out of the zone or banking it off the boards and out. He would do terrible in Keefe's system.
 

Wafflewhipper

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Yes that pairing doesn’t work, a top pair that’s sheltered is strange. Also our face off win percentage is masking possession.

Its not Kerfoots fault on that. I think last i checked he was 46 % or something on faceoffs.

What a bad trade for us,us getting two players Colorado wanted to move out. These guys are a headache more than kadri was in 9 years.
 

horner

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Do you realize it takes another GM to WANT the players you would like Dubas to trade?

I can see another GM wanting Barrie, however, Ceci might not be that wanted around the league, especially because he has apparently failed as a decent D according to 2 fan bases.

The more we bash our players doesn't mean there is an increased disire for other teams to trade for them.
I don't think GMs care about our opinion on hfboards .
Ceci - eat 1.5 mil
At 3 mil he can be traded and he is a right shot dman.
He is a good 3 rd pairing dman
 

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Oh, you don't know about my stance on Hainsey :laugh:

I think he's been terrible last year and this year. He was good the year before that though.

For example in today's Ottawa game, so many zone-exits by him were just flipping the puck out of the zone or banking it off the boards and out. He would do terrible in Keefe's system.

Hainsey has not been good this year, his age is showing
 

horner

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Oh, you don't know about my stance on Hainsey :laugh:

I think he's been terrible last year and this year. He was good the year before that though.

For example in today's Ottawa game, so many zone-exits by him were just flipping the puck out of the zone or banking it off the boards and out. He would do terrible in Keefe's system.

Morgan looked pretty good with him last yr
Maybe he allowed Rielly to do his thing
As long as he is good in the dzone.

How is Barrie and Rielly making out mmmmm not so good

Till the end of the season it can't be any worse
 

DarkKnight

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Its not Kerfoots fault on that. I think last i checked he was 46 % or something on faceoffs.

What a bad trade for us,us getting two players Colorado wanted to move out. These guys are a headache more than kadri was in 9 years.
The top pairing is usually out with a Matthews and JT.

Trade doesn’t look good if Barrie walks, a one year rental and an okay third liner.
 
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DarkKnight

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Dude come'on you say you're watching the games closely but you haven't realized Muzzin-Holl are our top-pairing under Keefe?

Against Colorodo? Who faced MacKinnon? Muzzin-Holl
Against Calgary? Who faced Monahan/Gaudreau? Muzzin-Holl
Etc

Just like in San Jose before Karlsson came: Burns always played 25 mins a night, but it was always Vlasic-Braun that were the shutdown pairing. Burns would eat up all other minutes, just like Rielly/Barrie are doing now with the shutdown pair Muzzin-Holl.

Keep the D-pairings together as they've been fantastic so far. Makes zero sense to change them
Face palm.
 

Al14

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I don't think GMs care about our opinion on hfboards .
Ceci - eat 1.5 mil
At 3 mil he can be traded and he is a right shot dman.
He is a good 3 rd pairing dman
Exactly, then Dubas will not trade anyone because someone on hfboards demands it!
 

horner

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Hainsey has not been good this year, his age is showing

+3 on a crappy Ottawa team that can't score

All iam saying is till the end of the season he can't be any worse than Barrie -12.

We aren't going far in the playoffs (w ifvwe make the playoffs ) with this defense any ways.

Get this defense fixed for next yr.
 
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horner

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Exactly, then Dubas will not trade anyone because someone on hfboards demands it!

If Dubas doesn't then he is no different than the last 40 yrs.

If he didn't think this team needs to be fixed he is a dumb ass.
 

Al14

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If Dubas doesn't then he is no different than the last 40 yrs.

If he didn't think this team needs to be fixed he is a dumb ass.
Maybe, one of his Dumb ass GM friends will help him out! We may not like the price however. See the trade of Marleau as an example.
 

horner

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Exactly, then Dubas will not trade anyone because someone on hfboards demands it!
You were talking about other GMs caring about our opinion.

And the n you just said Dubas won't care about our opinion.

No gm is going to care about our opinion .

I hope not anyways
 

horner

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If Dubas doesn't then he is no different than the last 40 yrs.

If he didn't think this team needs to be fixed he is a dumb ass.

Obviously if you have to give up something then you don't

Eating 1.5 mil he is worth a 3 Rd Rd pk

3 mil bottom pairing dman is worth it to someone
 

Al14

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You were talking about other GMs caring about our opinion.

And the n you just said Dubas won't care about our opinion.

No gm is going to care about our opinion .

I hope not anyways
As much as we're a bunch of amateur scouts on hfboards, professional NHL scouts sometimes see exactly what we see in a player. Sometimes they don't always agree and appreciate a player for his strengths and not label a player as completely useless as quick as we do on these boards.
 

LeafingTheWay

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Morgan looked pretty good with him last yr
Maybe he allowed Rielly to do his thing
As long as he is good in the dzone.

How is Barrie and Rielly making out mmmmm not so good

Till the end of the season it can't be any worse

I already debunked this theory a long time ago.

Hyman-Tavares-Marner were absolutely dominate last season, one of the best lines in the league. They were paired with Rielly-Hainsey. Rielly-Hainsey were bad defensively last season, but fantastic offensively. High-dangers shot attempts, high-danger goals against, shots against, goals against. Literally every defensive against stat last year was worse for Rielly-Hainsey than it was for Rielly-XXX this year.

The only difference this season
is that Hyman-Tavares-Marner were terrible/non-existent in the first quarter of the season, and therefore so was Rielly. Now that the team is starting to roll again, you should see Rielly perform much better. Some people have been ridiculous and even came to the theory that Hainsey leaving affected Tavares and Marner's play in the first quarter of the season. That's ridiculous, and that theory is being put to rest as you can see how dominate that line has been the past few games again (rebounding from their unsustainable low on-ice sh% this season).

Face palm.

You didn't realize that Muzzin-Holl was the shut-down pair under Keefe eh? :laugh: Yeah took me a few games to realize it too, but it makes sense since it utilizes everyone talents/strengths.
 

DarkKnight

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Like this :facepalm:?
I already debunked this theory a long time ago.

Hyman-Tavares-Marner were absolutely dominate last season, one of the best lines in the league. They were paired with Rielly-Hainsey. Rielly-Hainsey were bad defensively last season, but fantastic offensively. High-dangers shot attempts, high-danger goals against, shots against, goals against. Literally every defensive against stat last year was worse for Rielly-Hainsey than it was for Rielly-XXX this year.

The only difference this season
is that Hyman-Tavares-Marner were terrible/non-existent in the first quarter of the season, and therefore so was Rielly. Now that the team is starting to roll again, you should see Rielly perform much better.



You didn't realize that Muzzin-Holl was the shut-down pair under Keefe eh? :laugh: Yeah took me a few games to realize it too, but it makes sense since it utilizes everyone talents/strengths.
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mcleex

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He scored 3 games in a row and fooled everyone but of course since then he went back to his shitty old self
 

LeafingTheWay

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Logic has gone out of this thread.

Rielly-Barrie with another strong shift leading to a goal.

Enjoy the season folks.
 

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