Discussion in 'Tampa Bay Lightning' started by Tampa Bay Kiwi, Dec 27, 2013.
Playoff Johnny doing it well again
And most of you guys wanted to trade him... SMH.
Here’s my opinion on the matter
I think a big reason we contained Bergeron's line last night was because TJ held his own, and then some, in the faceoff circle. It helped that Bergeron got thrown out so much. :p
The Bruins fan sitting next to me was complaining about that and I commiserated with her as we've seen Point tossed out a huge amount too.
Johnny was in classic playoff form last night! Was so very good to see!
Yeah 63% in face-offs is great, Bergeron was at 48!
Yep TJ had another playoff TJ night. 2nd best bolt in the game imo. (Point)
He's really only had one poor game so far in these playoffs. Even when he's not scoring, he's constantly pushing the pace and looks dangerous as hell.
3 goals in 16 playoff games so far... come on TJ we need you right now!
He showed up for a bit in round 1 then fell off a cliff. Pretty replaceable if you ask me.
Him and Killorn were our playoff guys, neither showed up this year. With our young talent starting to shine it might be time to consider trading Johnny.
Replace the midget
I was actually going to ask about Johnson. Is he better on the wing or as a center? I think the Flames could use him in the top 6.
Better on the wing, his defensive game has crumbled like a wet firecracker over the years, but he's a good, versatile forward. I really like him but we need to make some adjustments, so I wouldn't mind seeing him being traded.
Calgary seems like a good partner if a deal happens. TJ's former coach, and Calgary has D to deal.
Plus apparently they already have a TJ: Tyler Johnson Stats and News
Any trade with Calgary and we most likely have to take back Stone or Brouwer for cap purposes so not a lot of cap gains. I prefer Stone as he has two years left so after next season we can let Girardi, Coburn and Stralman walk and have a veteran still left besides Hedman. They don't have high picks and their prospect pool isn't great. Rasmus Andersson is good and ready for an NHL role but is a RD so if they trade Stone he's the replacement. We could try to get Bennett and hope he finds his game but if he does that's another contract we have to worry about. They have a kid in Adam Fox who might be the best D in the NCAA who's an offensive RD, they might move him as he might want to stay on the East coast. Would be the type of defender we've been looking for awhile.
Brouwer (500k retained) + Fox + 2019 1st for Johnson + 2019 conditional 2nd (if we win the cup our 1st goes to NY so the 2nd can go to Calgary, if we don't the 2nd pushes back to 2020)? Problem becomes we have Callahan and Brouwer on RW making almost 10mil as bottom 6 guys signed for two years. We would need to work some magic to get both off the books after next season. Fox would be ready for a bottom pair role next year, we get a 1st round pick back and we open a forward spot for one of the Syracuse kids.
I highly doubt Calgary would part with Adam Fox. He's a really good player.
We'd be willing to part ways with him if it meant that we'd get Johnson back.
I mean I wouldn't oppose that lol. But the idea of taking back Ryan Cal..i mean, Brouwer is not something I think any of us want to see. We have enough money tied up in Callahan as it is.
TJ was one of our most dangerous forwards in the playoffs despite not living up to his performances of previous years. He generated more high danger shot attempts than anybody besides Point. I’m still not in favor of moving him unless we’re getting back a quality young 3D (or at least a 4D who looks to be on his way there.)
We’re giving up the best player in the deal and getting back a cap dump and a guy who isn’t even signed and is a risk not to do so. That’s a flat-out horrible trade for us.
Stamkos just above Kunitz. **** these stats get worse and worse every time I look at them. 1 ES goal for Stamkos, Miller and Gourde and this are probably the most brutal ones.
Johnson currently is the best player but he's not the same player he used to be. He's about to be 28 and signed for 6 more years. I think he's got 3 more years of being a top 6 guy then a bottom 6 one who'll be overpaid. Johnson is better as a center, I don't think he's been as good on the wing and he's not gonna be a top 6 C for us. Cirelli is a cheaper option for the 3C spot and we have wings who can replace Johnson. Brouwer can be a useful 3rd liner, he's just paid a bit too much but you can't dump salary these days without taking some back. Fox is worth the risk, he's what we thought DeAngelo could be but better. He also has 2 more years of eligibility left so if we can't sign him we can always flip his rights. We also get a 1st back. I don't see how we trade Johnson and get a better player back, we will have to be taken futures in almost any deal to shed cap.
I think you make a good case for trading TJ, but not for the poor return you are expecting.
What would you trade Johnson for? I'm high on Fox, I see as a the really good RD prospect. He's better than DeAngelo in everything but heaviness of his shot. Him Foote and Cernak would be a great RD group who are young and have a strong mix of abilities. That's why I'm ok taking some other bad parts because of how good I think he is. We get a 1st next year which is always a good piece and Calgary can't take Johnson without shedding cap. Brouwer is an upgrade on Callahan but that's not saying much. Hopefully we can just flip him either right away or later, we could retain a little and still save cap space.
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