Twitter going private?

[beowulf]

Because posters are consistently calling other posters assholes and that is against our rules. We don't typically moderate posters saying something along the lines of "the Avalanche suck". That is an opinion. An incorrect opinion, but an allowed opinion.

That kind of opinion on twitter would be flagged as fake news/misinformation or w/e the term is now, because it doesn't align with the prevailing school of thought.

Which, I think is what is driving Elon's desire to purchase twitter.

Ohh pleas that would not be flagged on twitter and you know it. I have never even had an twitter account and rarely look at it but this board is as moderated as twitter.

 

[beowulf]

It would be removed for being trolling. Such a thread would be a huge step from simply being wrong to actively trying to create problems on the forum.

But you think that is ok for twitter?

It still circles back to the fundamental issue being someone creating trouble on the forums, which is trolling. Whether what's being said is truthful or not takes a back seat.

And Twitter can say the same thing, that these are issues that make Twitter a hostile place and as such they can moderate it as they see fit.

 

[beowulf]

Yes. Caveat:



No. Language which is illegal, such as calling for violence, cannot be tolerated.

That's pathetic... so somebody writing that all nonwhites are trash and should not be allowed to vote as they are not as smart as whites is ok Or all gay people should be forced to go to conversion therapy and should not have the same right as straight people is totally fine? Wow what a sad place that would be and all it would do is push people to be even more bold in the real world with their hatred which the Presidency of Donald Trump already has.

 

[mouser]

But you think that is ok for twitter?


And Twitter can say the same thing, that these are issues that make Twitter a hostile place and as such they can moderate it as they see fit.

I didn't say anything about what was ok for twitter, no need to put words in my mouth.

Beau's hypothetical example probably should be removed on twitter. Not necessarily because it's untrue, but rather that it's Libel.

The concerns with twitter are not about trying to prevent hostile behavior. They're about using control of the platform to control narratives, often without serious analysis of whether disallowed content is truthful or not.


It's a very interesting legal debate topic. Our country's laws and history guarantee protection of free speech from censorship by the government, not private industry. Have some of the private social media companies become so large that they've now effectively become a critical part of the "public square" where people associate and exchange speech? Should free speech protection extend to social media companies above a certain critical mass?

 

[DoyleG]

I believe they and Facebook have been and so far Russia has said it will (or is) suing Facebook and I am sure the same will come with Twitter which are banned in Russia right now anyways as they do not want their population to have access to the truth.

Wrong.

I can still find ministry and diplomatic tweets going on. They aren't banned as they aren't within Russia.

You ignore the pro-Russian types that exist outside of Russia.

I have no problem finding those when doing OSINT checks.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If I start a thread on the main board titled something like "The Avalanche are running a pedophile ring in the basement of Ball Arena" that I supported with complete nonsense, I'm pretty sure it would be removed for being a lie.

That is quite the extraordinary jump and yes, it would be removed because it is potentially libelous, which again violates our rules.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Ohh pleas that would not be flagged on twitter and you know it. I have never even had an twitter account and rarely look at it but this board is as moderated as twitter.

Someone who doesn't have a twitter account and isn't a moderator of this board (as Mouser and I have been for nearly a decade), knows as much about twitter as I do (as I have an account) and moderating HF, which I have for more than 8 years?

No, I think this is one of those situations where I can say with near certainty that you are absolutely wrong that this board is moderated at a level even remotely similar to twitter.

 

[Beezers Mask]

People complaining about “conspiracy theories” on Twitter, which in all likelihood have more truth to them than anything CNN has reported in the last 10+ years, are hilarious.

If Twitter cared about enforcing their terms of service they would do so no matter the political leanings of the individual involved, but they don’t. Not to mention that they allow porn to run rampant on their website.

If they cared about misinformation they wouldn’t let cnn, msnbc, fox, etc. report something which is easily proven false only to let them rack up millions of views before they correct it. And then the algorithms allow for the corrections to get limited views.

Once a space becomes the primary way in which governments and politicians talk to their constituents (it has) you have to make it available to everyone no matter the political view. If you are going to allow government entities and politicians to interact with their constituents on your platform then you should be forced to allow all opinions on it.

Freedom of speech is not there to protect speech in which everyone agrees. It is there to protect the exact opposite. It’s there to protect speech you may find offensive.

 

[beowulf]

Wrong.

I can still find ministry and diplomatic tweets going on. They aren't banned as they aren't within Russia.

You ignore the pro-Russian types that exist outside of Russia.

I have no problem finding those when doing OSINT checks.

What part is wrong? I know they have not been perfect, that's for sure, but last I checked, Twitter has banned about 200 pro-russia accounts using the #istandwithputin hashtag. Should they do better? Yes. But I can tell you this, the intell community does not necessarily want to ban them all, as what these pro-russia account and the official Russian government accounts say can be used as part of intelligence gathering etc.

 

[beowulf]

People complaining about “conspiracy theories” on Twitter, which in all likelihood have more truth to them than anything CNN has reported in the last 10+ years, are hilarious.

If Twitter cared about enforcing their terms of service they would do so no matter the political leanings of the individual involved, but they don’t. Not to mention that they allow porn to run rampant on their website.

If they cared about misinformation they wouldn’t let cnn, msnbc, fox, etc. report something which is easily proven false only to let them rack up millions of views before they correct it. And then the algorithms allow for the corrections to get limited views.

Once a space becomes the primary way in which governments and politicians talk to their constituents (it has) you have to make it available to everyone no matter the political view. If you are going to allow government entities and politicians to interact with their constituents on your platform then you should be forced to allow all opinions on it.

Sure...sure....conspiracy theories have more truth than CNN and the mainstream media...ohhh please.

Again they decided that they will allow adult content with warning, last I checked as a private company that is their right as long as it does not break any laws (i.e. kids, animals, etc.).

 

[beowulf]

Someone who doesn't have a twitter account and isn't a moderator of this board (as Mouser and I have been for nearly a decade), knows as much about twitter as I do (as I have an account) and moderating HF, which I have for more than 8 years?

No, I think this is one of those situations where I can say with near certainty that you are absolutely wrong that this board is moderated at a level even remotely similar to twitter.

I said I don't have an account does not mean I have to use it. And I have been on this board for over a decade and I have seen how it is moderated and it is similar or worse than Twitter in many respects. Just because you want to try and cover your butt by using the "trolling" label that you seem to think should cover what YOU feel it should and not the real definition of the word does not make it true.

 

[Beezers Mask]

Sure...sure....conspiracy theories have more truth than CNN and the mainstream media...ohhh please.

Again they decided that they will allow adult content with warning, last I checked as a private company that is their right as long as it does not break any laws (i.e. kids, animals, etc.).

CNN is untruthful ever single day along with the rest of the mainstream media. If you are taking anything of what they say without a bucket of salt you are a problem.

They decided all that after it was already a problem. And I’m sure if you looked hard enough you’d be able to find all sorts of disturbing stuff involving kids and animals on there.

Twitter is a cesspool starting at the top all the way down.

Just because something is labeled a conspiracy theory doesn’t mean it’s not true. It’s only a theory until proven correct. And our government and its politicians are forever engaging in conspiracies.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Well said. If we moderated HFB to filter posts by what’s true or not our forums would be a barren wasteland.

Posters are entitled to their opinions, right or wrong here. The vast majority of our moderation comes down to being civil to your fellow forum members.

The societal impact between being wrong about a hockey take (let alone without the massive platform that Twitter can become) and being wrong about say, medicine, is very vast.

I really don't think the comparison holds.

 

[DoyleG]

What part is wrong? I know they have not been perfect, that's for sure, but last I checked, Twitter has banned about 200 pro-russia accounts using the #istandwithputin hashtag. Should they do better? Yes. But I can tell you this, the intell community does not necessarily want to ban them all, as what these pro-russia account and the official Russian government accounts say can be used as part of intelligence gathering etc.

Irrelevant

You look at trolls. I actually look at the real providers.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

It still circles back to the fundamental issue being someone creating trouble on the forums, which is trolling. Whether what's being said is truthful or not takes a back seat.

And posting the same thing on Twitter doesn't cause 'trouble'?

 

[beowulf]

I didn't say anything about what was ok for twitter, no need to put words in my mouth.

Beau's hypothetical example probably should be removed on twitter. Not necessarily because it's untrue, but rather that it's Libel.

The concerns with twitter are not about trying to prevent hostile behavior. They're about using control of the platform to control narratives, often without serious analysis of whether disallowed content is truthful or not.


It's a very interesting legal debate topic. Our country's laws and history guarantee protection of free speech from censorship by the government, not private industry. Have some of the private social media companies become so large that they've now effectively become a critical part of the "public square" where people associate and exchange speech? Should free speech protection extend to social media companies above a certain critical mass?

I didn't put words in your mouth, notice the question mark, I was asking if you think that is ok for twitter.

The answer to your last part is no, a private company should be allowed to decide what can and cannot be shown on it's site. Research has been done on this subject and their is still debate about what rile social media has in the world today. Twitter does not control the political or other narrative but does control the content on its platform and removes content or bans accounts based on if they are breaking their rules and terms of service. It isn't perfect, especially since they rely far too much on algorithms instead of humans but that won't be fixed any time soon.

 

[beowulf]

Irrelevant

You look at trolls. I actually look at the real providers.

huh? Real providers?

 

[Zach716]

People complaining about “conspiracy theories” on Twitter, which in all likelihood have more truth to them than anything CNN has reported in the last 10+ years, are hilarious.

If Twitter cared about enforcing their terms of service they would do so no matter the political leanings of the individual involved, but they don’t. Not to mention that they allow porn to run rampant on their website.

If they cared about misinformation they wouldn’t let cnn, msnbc, fox, etc. report something which is easily proven false only to let them rack up millions of views before they correct it. And then the algorithms allow for the corrections to get limited views.

Once a space becomes the primary way in which governments and politicians talk to their constituents (it has) you have to make it available to everyone no matter the political view. If you are going to allow government entities and politicians to interact with their constituents on your platform then you should be forced to allow all opinions on it.

Freedom of speech is not there to protect speech in which everyone agrees. It is there to protect the exact opposite. It’s there to protect speech you may find offensive.

Pretty much sums it all up. Good post.

 

[beowulf]

CNN is untruthful ever single day along with the rest of the mainstream media. If you are taking anything of what they say without a bucket of salt you are a problem.

They decided all that after it was already a problem. And I’m sure if you looked hard enough you’d be able to find all sorts of disturbing stuff involving kids and animals on there.

Twitter is a cesspool starting at the top all the way down.

Just because something is labeled a conspiracy theory doesn’t mean it’s not true. It’s only a theory until proven correct. And our government and its politicians are forever engaging in conspiracies.

So you simply fall in the conspiracy theory group. if you think everything that is reported by CNN and the mainstream media is not true or twisted or whatever you are the one with the problem. They are not perfect that is for sure but there is much more truth than can be found in most "alternative" sources of media.

This is a great look at a hundreds of sources of news and which are truly news, a mix of news and analysis or opinion and all BS being sold to people as news. People don't seem to make that distinction anymore, people seem to not be able to think for themselves and take what they read or watch from a source and understand if it's pure news, news with analysis or opinion. The mainstream media news sources or generally very good but when it comes to analysis or opinion content well that varies but should not be taken as news anyway. I don't take much of anything from FOX as news as they have become almost only an opinion source. CNN is not as bad as them but have slowly over the years been dropping news for more analysis and opinion segments and one day might be at the level of FOX.

Twitter is not a media company and should not be a source of news for people but alas that is what is has become to an extent and that is a problem.

 

[Zach716]

So you simply fall in the conspiracy theory group. if you think everything that is reported by CNN and the mainstream media is not true or twisted or whatever you are the one with the problem. They are not perfect that is for sure but there is much more truth than can be found in most "alternative" sources of media.

This is a great look at a hundreds of sources of news and which are truly news, a mix of news and analysis or opinion and all BS being sold to people as news. People don't seem to make that distinction anymore, people seem to not be able to think for themselves and take what they read or watch from a source and understand if it's pure news, news with analysis or opinion. The mainstream media news sources or generally very good but when it comes to analysis or opinion content well that varies but should not be taken as news anyway. I don't take much of anything from FOX as news as they have become almost only an opinion source. CNN is not as bad as them but have slowly over the years been dropping news for more analysis and opinion segments and one day might be at the level of FOX.

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Twitter is not a media company and should not be a source of news for people but alas that is what is has become to an extent and that is a problem.

It's not even a conspiracy that MSM has been exposed on both sides of the aisle as being massively untruthful within the last half decade. If anything, this just shows how effective they are at still making people such as yourself believers. I haven't seen someone shill for CNN in a long time lol.

 

[JKG33]

Twitter desperately wants to have their cake and eat it too. On the one hand they want to be the giant social media platform, yet on the other they to limit/censor/control the content but only from one political side. You can't have it both ways.

If twitter wants to cater to the left wing woke mob fine, but then they shouldn't be treated as a "news" source.

The comparison to HF doesn't make sense. This is a niche sports community with a dedicated purpose. HF doesn't pretend to be a place where you can freely discuss anything. Twitter started out with freedoms, but has regressed yet another cesspool where only one opinion is deemed acceptable.

 

[Beezers Mask]

So you simply fall in the conspiracy theory group. if you think everything that is reported by CNN and the mainstream media is not true or twisted or whatever you are the one with the problem. They are not perfect that is for sure but there is much more truth than can be found in most "alternative" sources of media.

This is a great look at a hundreds of sources of news and which are truly news, a mix of news and analysis or opinion and all BS being sold to people as news. People don't seem to make that distinction anymore, people seem to not be able to think for themselves and take what they read or watch from a source and understand if it's pure news, news with analysis or opinion. The mainstream media news sources or generally very good but when it comes to analysis or opinion content well that varies but should not be taken as news anyway. I don't take much of anything from FOX as news as they have become almost only an opinion source. CNN is not as bad as them but have slowly over the years been dropping news for more analysis and opinion segments and one day might be at the level of FOX.

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Twitter is not a media company and should not be a source of news for people but alas that is what is has become to an extent and that is a problem.

Again if you are taking what CNN reports as news and not fact checking it yourself you are a problem. The consistently “make mistakes”, omit important details, or flat out lie to push their preferred agenda.

Just look at current events. CNN and every other mainstream media ignored or flat out lied about the Hunter Biden situation prior to the election. Now that the election is over and it can no longer be covered up they are jumping on board reporting on it.

 

[beowulf]

It's not even a conspiracy that MSM has been exposed on both sides of the aisle as being massively untruthful within the last half decade. If anything, this just shows how effective they are at still making people such as yourself believers. I haven't seen someone shill for CNN in a long time lol.

What do you consider mainstream media? Please show me how all mainstream media, CNN in particular if in particular, has been massively untruthful in their news segments.

I am not shilling for CNN, they are not even my first source of news, I generally look at BBC, Reuters, AP, and the like as my first source of news. I then look at CBC, CNN, FOX, (actual news on the web not the tv), WSJ, The Guardian, etc. I avoid things like TYT, Morning Joe, FOX tv, Newsmax, OAN, The Sun, The Rebel, etc.

 

[Beezers Mask]

It's not even a conspiracy that MSM has been exposed on both sides of the aisle as being massively untruthful within the last half decade. If anything, this just shows how effective they are at still making people such as yourself believers. I haven't seen someone shill for CNN in a long time lol.

I can’t like this post more than once so I had to reply to it.

 

[beowulf]

Again if you are taking what CNN reports as news and not fact checking it yourself you are a problem. The consistently “make mistakes”, omit important details, or flat out lie to push their preferred agenda.

Just look at current events. CNN and every other mainstream media ignored or flat out lied about the Hunter Biden situation prior to the election. Now that the election is over and it can no longer be covered up they are jumping on board reporting on it.

Hopeless cause. if you cannot read what I wrote properly or comprehend it that if on you.