Speculation: Trouba [MOD: his next contract]

[SensibleGuy]

Ralphie has Bill Waters on now and he thinks the Trouba camp wants out of Winnipeg.

Doesn't mean much of course.

However, I sorta feel the same way and I'm pretty good at sniffing this stuff out. I was right about Kane all along after all!

 

[Hunter368]

If Jets choose Myers over Trouba leading Trouba to be traded I'm seriously going wonder what the Jets first priority is....winning games or profit.

 

[Channelcat]

Has anybody been tracking Watters record on these "out there" statements? I tend to dismiss everything he says, but Im wondering if this could be true.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

Ralphie has Bill Waters on now and he thinks the Trouba camp wants out of Winnipeg.

Doesn't mean much of course.

However, I sorta feel the same way and I'm pretty good at sniffing this stuff out. I was right about Kane all along after all!

My gut tells me this is all about not agreeing to $$$ on a long term deal and the Jets not having any appetite for a bridge deal - as opposted to Trouba not "wanting to be here..."

Guess we'll see soon.

 

[tacogeoff]

If Jets choose Myers over Trouba leading Trouba to be traded I'm seriously going wonder what the Jets first priority is....winning games or profit.

based on the big names they traded previously....I would have to say it would be more about wanting to play for Winnipeg and buying into the system and team dynamics.

That being said...I feel we may see a bridge contract occur here. Hopefully I am wrong and its a long term.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

If Jets choose Myers over Trouba leading Trouba to be traded I'm seriously going wonder what the Jets first priority is....winning games or profit.

What makes you think they're choosing one over the other?

We have no idea if the jets see trouba in their long term plans or if trouba sees himself in the Jets long term plans.

For all we know the jets want to sign trouba and trade Myers but if trouba doesn't want to sign here they obviously wouldn't trade Myers.

So you probably shouldn't start speculating that the jets are choosing Myers over trouba if we do end up trading him.

 

[HannuJ]

Is your gut telling you bridge or long term ?
Be interesting to see if you are right.
Cheers

it's 3 PM.
think i mistook "signing a contract" for "go eat lunch"

 

[Howard Chuck]

If Jets choose Myers over Trouba leading Trouba to be traded I'm seriously going wonder what the Jets first priority is....winning games or profit.

This is one of those things we may never know, if it happens. If Trouba is traded it doesn't mean that management chose him over Myers, it could very well be that Trouba over values himself and forced a trade.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Has anybody been tracking Watters record on these "out there" statements? I tend to dismiss everything he says, but Im wondering if this could be true.

I like Watters a fair bit. The guy doesn't really make very many "out there" statements afaic. In this case, he's just guessing based on the evidence which is essentially that this deal doesn't seem like it should be taking so long - I mean there's a fair number of recent signings of "comparables" that seem to have "set the bar" reasonably for Trouba. There doesn't seem to be much to hold things up at this point...unless one side is asking for something unreasonable.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I like Watters a fair bit. The guy doesn't really make very many "out there" statements afaic. In this case, he's just guessing based on the evidence which is essentially that this deal doesn't seem like it should be taking so long - I mean there's a fair number of recent signings of "comparables" that seem to have "set the bar" reasonably for Trouba. There doesn't seem to be much to hold things up at this point...unless one side is asking for something unreasonable.

My take on Watters is he has had bad dealings with Overhardt from the past, and has a massive disdain for how he operates. Watters has been stating the same thing about the Trouba dealings for several months now. His stance was always that Trouba wants to be traded and is operating accordingly.

He might be right, but I believe his stance was predetermined from his history with the man.

 

[JohnnyO]

Watters is a blowhard and during his media time in Toronto threw out a lot of garbage. He very well could be right but I wouldn't put much stock in to anything he says.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Watters is a blowhard and during his media time in Toronto threw out a lot of garbage. He very well could be right but I wouldn't put much stock in to anything he says.

I only really know him from his regular appearances on Ralph's show here but he seems more of a "straight shooter" than a blowhard to me. I mean if his take on the Trouba situation is influenced by his previous dealings with Trouba's agent, that seems like it's not necessarily an invalid thing. He's actually dealt with the guy and knows what he's like - that's more than many people have to go on...

 

[JohnnyO]

I only really know him from his regular appearances on Ralph's show here but he seems more of a "straight shooter" than a blowhard to me. I mean if his take on the Trouba situation is influenced by his previous dealings with Trouba's agent, that seems like it's not necessarily an invalid thing. He's actually dealt with the guy and knows what he's like - that's more than many people have to go on...

Don't get me wrong he obviously knows people in the hockey world, but listening to him for years in Toronto he'd throw this kind of stuff out all the time, and I can't remember him ever being right about anything.
He's just speculating, could he be right about the situation? Sure. I wouldn't be worried about it though.

 

[nobody important]

it's 3 PM.
think i mistook "signing a contract" for "go eat lunch"

Signs and portents are so easily misinterpreted.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

There is the possibility that Trouba doesn't want to be here long term.. who really knows tho. Bottom line here, the only 2 people who know for sure what's going on here are Chevy and Troubas agent, i bet even Trouba is somewhat in the dark at this point and time... I mean, i'm sure he knows what his end game is but.... he's probably leaving it up to Chevy and his agent to get there.

Speculation is awesome tho. It's funny how people would suggest something like The Jet are gonna keep MYERS over Trouba, maybe Trouba is asking for way to much money? Ever think of that? You ever think that maybe he does want 6 million plus long term per year? I don't think he's worth that long term, I just don't get what people see in him... Is he a good D man? is his fancy stats good? Sure, but.... at the same time, he's got a ton of comparables who have signed already and the going right seems to be about 5 million a year or so on a 6 year deal... The holdup is obviously Trouba and his agent want more money.

 

[ps241]

Don't get me wrong he obviously knows people in the hockey world, but listening to him for years in Toronto he'd throw this kind of stuff out all the time, and I can't remember him ever being right about anything.
He's just speculating, could he be right about the situation? Sure. I wouldn't be worried about it though.

Yea I listened to the interview and I don't put much stock in his speculation on Trouba wanting a trade. I did however get a kick out of when he said Kurt Overhardt is "the self proclaimed genius"

 

[Whileee]

If Trouba really wants out of Winnipeg I'm pretty sure that Chevy has known it some time and will be positioning for a suitable trade. My guess is that he would have traded him by now, considering the high market demand.

 

[OutsideLookingIn]

There is the possibility that Trouba doesn't want to be here long term.. who really knows tho. Bottom line here, the only 2 people who know for sure what's going on here are Chevy and Troubas agent, i bet even Trouba is somewhat in the dark at this point and time... I mean, i'm sure he knows what his end game is but.... he's probably leaving it up to Chevy and his agent to get there.

Speculation is awesome tho. It's funny how people would suggest something like The Jet are gonna keep MYERS over Trouba, maybe Trouba is asking for way to much money? Ever think of that? You ever think that maybe he does want 6 million plus long term per year? I don't think he's worth that long term, I just don't get what people see in him... Is he a good D man? is his fancy stats good? Sure, but.... at the same time, he's got a ton of comparables who have signed already and the going right seems to be about 5 million a year or so on a 6 year deal... The holdup is obviously Trouba and his agent want more money.

Maybe the Jets are low balling him on a 6 years deal. Maybe the Jets chose Buff over Trouba and Myers has nothing to do with it. Maybe Trouba wants to be traded and the Jets are shopping him. Maybe Chevy thinks Trouba will sign due to the World Cup at what ever is offered. Maybe Trouba will hold out to force a trade. Maybe he will sign tomorrow.

Nothing is obvious, because the Jets and Trouba aren't sharing any information.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I have a feeling the Jets dug in long ago.
No incentive for the org. to throw big money out early or on a party that may or may not be eager to be here long term.

Someone said it's likely a staring contest...I tend to think the same.
Ultimately I think we bridge and he moves on.

I fully expect both side to say the right things and take the high road.
As I posted before , this org seems to be able to sign willing parties fairly easily.

Anyways none of us really know what each party really feels & that's the way it should be.
Sure is fun to speculate though , makes for great conversation.

Hannu J.....I'm hungry also there lots of grumbling going on !

 

[digmor crusher]

Watters is not relevant anymore, just blowing crap as usual.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Does trouba also play LD?

No one answered your question so I thought I'd start by saying yes Trouba does play LD, but it's only been happening with any regularity starting near the end of last season.

If usage is the issue as some have reported, why would Trouba sign a bridge deal? That just lets the Jets put him on the left side and limit pp time behind Buff for two years.

Despite being considered RD3, the Jets employ both he & Myers with about equal even strength & overall TOI.

Trouba averages 22:03 in TOI/GP behind other RD's Byfuglien (25:12) & Myers (22:37). The real difference is:

SH TOI (Trouba 220.22 total) vs. (Myers 155:38 total)
PP TOI (Trouba 104:24 total) vs. (Myers 165.36 total)

Despite Trouba playing less PP time he actually outscores Myers in this role (4 assists vs. 2). It's not like either knock in out of the ballpark & neither actually scored a PP goal all of last season. As a rule the Jets use a 4th forward on the PP with Byfuglien rarely leaving the ice, perhaps explaining these low totals.

What makes you think they're choosing one over the other?

We have no idea if the jets see trouba in their long term plans or if trouba sees himself in the Jets long term plans.

For all we know the jets want to sign trouba and trade Myers but if trouba doesn't want to sign here they obviously wouldn't trade Myers.

So you probably shouldn't start speculating that the jets are choosing Myers over trouba if we do end up trading him.

If Trouba is arguing about usage I would think it's well beyond the over simplified version of being anchored to Stuart. Trouba is a league leader in SH TOI ranking 18th league wide & leads those in his age class in this regard with his closest in age being a 23 year old Adam Larsson & a 26 year old Drew Doughty.

In essence his role is one that only the most trusted of veteran defenseman between the ages of 28-35 play. His camp easily has a point that he deserves a long term deal.

The Jets certainly see a 22 year old Trouba as part of their future. He's a rare example of a young defenseman perfectly capable of of playing a shutdown role. What's even rarer is that he has untapped offensive potential that will emerge sooner than later.

 

[Channelcat]

I'm actually OK with letting him sit.

 

[puck stoppa]

No ones sitting. Let's get real here. If he wanted out, Chevy signs him long term, and holds all the cards, can trade him within three years for the best deal.
If he signs bridge, he'll still be here when that's done imo

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I like Watters a fair bit. The guy doesn't really make very many "out there" statements afaic. In this case, he's just guessing based on the evidence which is essentially that this deal doesn't seem like it should be taking so long - I mean there's a fair number of recent signings of "comparables" that seem to have "set the bar" reasonably for Trouba. There doesn't seem to be much to hold things up at this point...unless one side is asking for something unreasonable.

At one point he said "I don't know the kid (Trouba), I just know the agent (Overhart). He is basing the opinion on that. He also indicated that he believes the rumours, since denied by Overhart about sky high salary demands. Maybe he never heard the denial, in which case he is a little out of touch.

There are many things that can hold it up. There is no urgency yet. It could be a relatively small difference on any part of the contract. Maybe it is about lockout protection as someone posted earlier.

 

[robertocarlos]

Do you have an example of Watters putting out garbage?