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this is BS.... You're lucky or not. Injuries can happen to anyone at anytime.
I dont even know why youre quoting me
this is BS.... You're lucky or not. Injuries can happen to anyone at anytime.
And whats the point?2008-2012... FIVE drafts.... How many Timmins' picks are still playing in Montreal ? TWO: Gally and Hudon.....
And whats the point?
I dont even know what youre trying to debate.
Thats usually how scouting and drafting goes, yes. The turn over rate is rarely postive, it just has to be better than the majority, which he is.Timmins sainthood.... He failed more often than he succeeded over long periods of time.
McDonagh and Sergachev were very easy picks to make....
2008-2012... FIVE drafts.... How many Timmins' picks are still playing in Montreal ? TWO: Gally and Hudon.....
Timmins sainthood.... He failed more often than he succeeded over long periods of time.
Timmins sainthood.... He failed more often than he succeeded over long periods of time.
agreed, have been saying for some time that things would at least look a little better in regards to development and drafting if not for Lefebvre who just made some really strange decisions that imo were not a good way to develop talent. That said of course it could have been just all those players were bad picks and the blame is all on them and or Timmins and his staff but I never believed that. The main point for me was always Leblanc as I just never understood how anyone that watched him as a 20 year old rookie in Hamilton, that saw him play so well where he clearly was one of the best players on the team and then the next year in Lefebvre's first season he ends up in the coaches doghouse is removed from the top line and PP and over time just looks the complete opposite of the player he was in his first year.
Now you can say a lot of things here. Yes maybe the Habs shouldn't have called him that year, leave him to play a full year in the AHL ala Subban. Yes the player has to take some the blame, maybe he didn't have the mental makeup, or couldn't get the proper strength. And I've said everyone involved shares some blame, Timmins went with a local kid that didn't have the best skating.
At the end of the day though, my whole thought was how do you look at the kid that was playing so well under one coach and then the new coach his game was night and day and he looked like ****. Injuries, call ups, maybe he peaked at 20, lots of reasons but I just don't know how anyone that watched him in Hamilton those years couldn't at least point the finger at Lefebvre and say he's got to take some of the blame and imo a big part of it. Not all but a good bit of it imo.
But after 6 freaking long years he's gone and now we just have to move forward and hope that the new coaching staff can do a better job although I still think if we continue to rush these kids it won't help matters all that much.
As for the season I don't think we'll see both Mete/Juulsen down but I guess we'll see. Kotka, Scherbak, DLR, I think Kotka either says in the NHL or goes to Liiga but we'll see how the next 6 games for him. Scherbak I would be surprised if he cleared waivers. Not looking at other teams rosters but if i'm say NYR or maybe Yotes, why not take a flyer on him for free especially if you don't care about this season and put him with someone that can snipe his sick passes. DLR perhaps they will send him down if they can't trade anyone, clearly someone is going to be going somewhere in the next week or two.
Brook like Suzuki I expect to be traded to a contender so we'll see when their seasons end. Poehling could still be playing hockey in April depending on how his team does, they should be a lock for the tournament at the end of March so if they advance that will be April 11th to 13th.
Along those lines in the Friday night AHL game, the Devils 20 players were made up 17 of their draft picks and original free agent signees, compared with 11 for the Habs (only 6 drafted players by my count). The only 3 Devils players who had played in other organizations were Eric Tangradi and Brian Strait (two players Ray Shero had in Pittsburgh) plus John Ramage. How many current Rocket have NHL futures? Maybe when it's easy to point to several Habs draft picks on the team who show they have an NHL future the organization will have started to turn a corner.Still on about Leblanc? Tinordi? Why not Beaulieu? Simply put, those were not Bergevin's draft choices. More than that, Leblanc's 2nd yr in Hamilton was wasted with a really bad injury in a really stupid fight with Jesse Blacker (I was at that game), which was only the next in series of questionable choices made by each of those 3 first round choices of the previous regime. As much as people go on about Leblanc being drafted b/c he was a local boy, he was drafted at more or less his draft position. The truth is, the player drafted on the basis of his name was Tinordi. The 2009 draft was not a great draft class (Scott Glennie?) and even Brayden Schenn took 7 yrs and a new team to become even a 70pt/yr centre in the NHL. Detroit's geniuses drafted Landon Ferraro instead of Ryan O'Reilly (who was passed over by every team).
System depth is the last thing to evolve in a management transition and a retool. It takes 5 yrs (per the scouts with whom I used to sit at Copps) and an AHL team (also per scouts) will usually only have 4-5 prospects. The rest are depth, hopefuls, and bodies to make the locals happy--see Scott Darling. Hamilton had the likes of Ryan Risidore and Joe Seroski. They were never going to be prospects, let alone in the NHL but were local boys . . . Even the Calder Cup champion team had 6-7 NHL players on it, including Price (who was sent there as an insult to Hamiltonians per the Spectator at the time) and that was a combined team with Dallas! The 2009-10 team, semi-finalists, coached by the infallible Guy Boucher, had about the same, and that includes 4th liners and journeymen like Pyatt & White, and a guy like Benoit who went through waivers more than once and hung around, along with Subban, who was only sent down for the last series and was terrible in the deciding 7th game, along with Boucher. In short, those were winning teams and failed to produce any actual stars. Price and Subban barely played for those teams EXCEPT for the playoffs. The leading scorers were luminaries like Locke, Milroy, Desharnais . . .
Moral of the story is that players who came up were ready to play and played the system that was employed. The team--the only team that matters--changed systems this year. My guess is that the AHL team is about 2 yrs behind its depth and development cycle. I think that's down to many and several factors including and especially Timmins' drafting especially the three drafts before Bergevin took over and the three drafts after Bergevin took over, but of course it's all Lefebvre's fault in mod logic.
We will see soon if Timmins was right with his out of left field pick in Lukas Vejdemo or.....the guy next door in Nicolas Roy. Roy was just called back with the Canes. Again, out of left field picks from Timmins always if not very often stay....out of left field. Keep it simple Trevor.
For the record, 'cause somehow we are judged more harshly than the professionnals that are actually doing the job, I wanted NOTHING to do with Roy in the first 2 rounds. I hated how lazy he looked most of the time. But 3rd round? That's the kind of package you should aim for. Instead of unknown guys that stays unknown as it's the history of Timmins. But we will see. While it seems Vejdemo is looking fine....needless to say Roy look much better.
It is valuable for people to acknowledge when they were wrong.
So on that note, @TooLegitToQuit, you were probably right, and I was probably wrong, in our relative assessments of the Habs farm system during the past year. There are a lot of prospects and young players showing good progression, among them Brook, Fleury, McCarron, never mind the ones who were drafted in 2018, as well as Suzuki.
The farm system does in fact look better than it has been on average for most of the past two decades. The odds of the Habs having a deep core once their next window opens, as well as having sufficient assets to make trades from a position of strength, are high.
It is valuable for people to acknowledge when they were wrong.
So on that note, @TooLegitToQuit, you were probably right, and I was probably wrong, in our relative assessments of the Habs farm system during the past year. There are a lot of prospects and young players showing good progression, among them Brook, Fleury, McCarron, never mind the ones who were drafted in 2018, as well as Suzuki.
The farm system does in fact look better than it has been on average for most of the past two decades. The odds of the Habs having a deep core once their next window opens, as well as having sufficient assets to make trades from a position of strength, are high.
Koberstein was his usual physical self, took a penalty for elbowing a kid along the boards, but he's big and the kid was smaller so i don't think he meant it as he didn't seem to have any clue it was called on him. That said he's on such a bad team and seems like a long shot to get a contract. Likely the last time I will see him play.
I will never understand why teams go for depth players with no skills in later rounds as if they cant sign them on the open market or just make a simple trade using a 3rd round pick or lower.Such a bad pick... this guy shouldn't have been drafted at all.
Such a bad pick... this guy shouldn't have been drafted at all.
yea I hope whoever thought it was a good idea was fired, when Bjork was there and coming off a good year with the USNDTP they opted for some obscure player from a league they rarely draft from going to a very weak program in the NCAA. That said he does have a good physical game and he's solid defensively. I think he'll be a good ECHLer and maybe a decent AHLer in time.
Who does Brook remind you of?It's just way too early to say this. I've been closely following the Habs prospects for about 20 years. So far there's no right or wrong when it's so early in a very long season.
I think we have a really good top 4 in Kotka, Suzuki, Brook and Poehling. After that there are a lot of question marks. Fleury is off to a good start, Harris has really surprised me, Romanov I still really struggle with but he's getting great experience. Ylonen I won't get to see but hopefully he picks it up. Primeau wasn't at his best this past weekend after a strong series the previous week vs a very weak team. Olofsson is off to a good start but I still wonder if we should have picked his former linemate.
The CHL kids you have Fonstand gets off to a great start but then just 1 pt in his last 7, and 4 pts in last 11 games. Hillis I only saw once and he did play a good game but 1 pt in 9 games. McShane has 5 pts in 2 games, the rest he has 3 pts in 7 games. Houde has 5 pts in 2 games, 7 pts in 11 games so not as bad. Stapley looks quick and skilled, he's in a really good spot to put up points. He's the 3rd 19 year old from the draft (Ylonen is a late B-day, Gornaik and Stapley were passed over in '17)
So far perhaps the biggest surprise is McCarron, while I'm not ready to say he's a success, he has been one of Laval's best players and does look quicker. If he can continue to build off what he's doing then perhaps he'll be a 4th liner or spare forward next year. I have said I think he will be a 4th liner in time as a forward his size is logically going to take longer and with the **** development he got it certainly didn't do him any favors. I bet he's much happier not having ECHL linemates this year.
Along our recent ECHLers Pezzetta, M. Bradley, Fucale, Crisp, Thrower, Vail... (all draft picks since Bergevin took over).
Audette, S. Bourque and Addison should have played in ECHL too.
Who does Brook remind you of?
I think he is very similar to Rielly of the leafs. Dominant when he has the puck like Rielly with amazing skating ability. Or am I way off?
As for the CHL kids, have u seen them on many occasions and if so, do u think they have been struggling or dominant but just unlucky? Do you think any of them will be over a PPG? I'm very concerned about Hillis. We used up a very high pick (relative to Fonstad, Harris and McShane) and seems to be struggling badly. I'm just stat watching so I won't pretend to know what's going on with him.
yea I hope whoever thought it was a good idea was fired, when Bjork was there and coming off a good year with the USNDTP they opted for some obscure player from a league they rarely draft from going to a very weak program in the NCAA. That said he does have a good physical game and he's solid defensively. I think he'll be a good ECHLer and maybe a decent AHLer in time.