Pre-Game Talk: Training Camp 2022/23

[Gabe Kupari]

If heinola isn't in your top 4 and getting 2 pp minutes then it's best for him to play on the Moose. He isn't makar or heiskanen who can step in immediately and make a difference. I think he's called up eventually as I feel we possibly see a trade of Dillon or Pionk this season.

 

[JetsUK]

If heinola isn't in your top 4 and getting 2 pp minutes then it's best for him to play on the Moose. He isn't makar or heiskanen who can step in immediately and make a difference. I think he's called up eventually as I feel we possibly see a trade of Dillon or Pionk this season.

Would be interesting -- have we seen these Jets reverse themselves on a player they worked to bring in, a la Vegas?

Dillon maybe -- unless Pionk hits his contract year form we're likely to be adding or retaining on him.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Would be interesting -- have we seen these Jets reverse themselves on a player they worked to bring in, a la Vegas?

Dillon maybe -- unless Pionk hits his contract year form we're likely to be adding or retaining on him.

The 2 second round picks for Dillon stings.

 

[ffh]

The 2 second round picks for Dillon stings.

rather have a player. its been 11 years and still dont have a 2nd rounder as a full time nnhler. maybe this year. MAYBE

 

[WolfHouse]

The 2 second round picks for Dillon stings.

You wouldn’t trade harkins and petan for Dillon?

 

[Jet]

The 2 second round picks for Dillon stings.

Not if he plays to his potential. I'll reserve judgement till the end of this season.

 

[DRW204]

the thing w/ dillon is he rates out quite favorably defensively prior to his year in WPG.... he was also paired quite a bit with either Pionk or Stanley, & they were both no bueno last year. he and schmidt together did show some competency though.

i have a bit more confidence in dillon bouncing back than Pionk. 2018-2021 Dillon had a 3 year stretch of great defense according to the stats/analytics. I think the last 2 years for Pionk were both outliers, one on the negative end (last season) and one positive (CDN Div). IMO, and by stats, his other 2 full years are close to last season rather than the CDN Div year. So while i do think he can bounce back a bit, i am not sure if the CDN Div year is the norm for him.

 

[surixon]

the thing w/ dillon is he rates out quite favorably defensively prior to his year in WPG.... he was also paired quite a bit with either Pionk or Stanley, & they were both no bueno last year. he and schmidt together did show some competency though.

i have a bit more confidence in dillon bouncing back than Pionk. 2018-2021 Dillon had a 3 year stretch of great defense according to the stats/analytics. I think the last 2 years for Pionk were both outliers, one on the negative end (last season) and one positive (CDN Div). IMO, and by stats, his other 2 full years are close to last season rather than the CDN Div year. So while i do think he can bounce back a bit, i am not sure if the CDN Div year is the norm for him.

It is one of the reasons why I'm on the trade Pionk bandwagon of he bounces back a bit. I think Ville can likely grow into a better version of him.

 

[DRW204]

It is one of the reasons why I'm on the trade Pionk bandwagon of he bounces back a bit. I think Ville can likely grow into a better version of him.

LOL welcome to the bandwagon

Even with out a bounce back, he gets pts (regardless if it's pp or not), and high TOI. that usually alone has trade value for defenseman.

 

[jungles]

Toninato on waivers. Was this expected and I just missed it?

 

[DannyGallivan]

It is one of the reasons why I'm on the trade Pionk bandwagon of he bounces back a bit. I think Ville can likely grow into a better version of him.

…except

It is one of the reasons why I'm on the trade Pionk bandwagon of he bounces back a bit. I think Ville can likely grow into a better version of him.

…except Pionk is also one of most physical players, which people still forget is important in hockey especially for defensemen.

 

[surixon]

…except

…except Pionk is also one of most physical players, which people still forget is important in hockey especially for defensemen.

Physicality is only good if it leads to overall positive results.

We have Dillion and Samberg to provide the physicality and JoMo and DeMelo are no slouched there either.

Toninato on waivers. Was this expected and I just missed it?

They needed to make a move to activate Axel today so this move makes sense.

Looks like they do plan on rotating Dylan and Logan in and out to start the year.

 

[cneely]

Toninato on waivers. Was this expected and I just missed it?

Maybe Barron is ready?

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Perfetti - PLD - Wheeler
Barron - Lowry - Appleton
Fjallby - Gus - Gagner
Maenalnen

 

[Atoyot]

Man. The Moose have so many players.

 

[Jet]

Man. The Moose have so many players.

I wonder if Toninato will get claimed?

 

[surixon]

Man. The Moose have so many players.

Yeah I'm a bit worried about some of the kids getting enough ice time.

Something needs to be done both upfront and on defense.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Maybe Barron is ready?

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Perfetti - PLD - Wheeler
Barron - Lowry - Appleton
Fjallby - Gus - Gagner
Maenalnen

Looks good.

 

[Jet]

Maybe Barron is ready?

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Perfetti - PLD - Wheeler
Barron - Lowry - Appleton
Fjallby - Gus - Gagner
Maenalnen

For the first time in forever I feel really good about our bottom 6. Obviously there's a lot of unknowns but I see a really good balance of player types.

I know scoring is still a concern from that group, but if they can build some chemistry that's a strong roster

 

[Atoyot]

I wonder if Toninato will get claimed?

Maybe Chicago? Some familiarity there. I like Toninato, hope he gets claimed and can keep playing somewhere but our 4th line and Moose logjam make him unnecessary. As it stands they have a solid 3 or 4 forwards that should make the Moose but there's just not enough room.

 

[bustamente]

The juice has been taken out of Toni Nato

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Monty9]

…except

…except Pionk is also one of most physical players, which people still forget is important in hockey especially for defensemen.

He is also the least positionally sound D man in the top 6, Stanley included.

 

[Jet]

He is also the least positionally sound D man in the top 6, Stanley included.

Good news about that is its very coachable

 

[Atoyot]

Why do I get the feeling Gagner will be the one coming out?

 

[ThinIce61]

Toninato on waivers. Was this expected and I just missed it?

I think picking up Fjalby on waivers was the signal that Toninato was going down. Chevy or Bones must have seen something they liked, besides the hair to claim such a relatively obscure player. Toninato and Harkins while they weren't bad hockey players per se never really did much. They didn't sign Gagner to ride the pine or go to the minors, Saku Marmalade really impressed in pre season and Gus was always going to get the shot I felt because his ops kept getting derailed by injury.


I , like many others was looking for shakeup with the roster witha big move. That didn't happen but obviously Bones identified the bottom 6 as an area of concern since with the exception of Lowry and Apples since being reacquired is new players(counting Gus a new since he's barely played).


Don't know how much that bottom 6 will score but if in the new system chances against us are down that will be an improvement in itself. We have cap space, would like to get one more half decent goal scorer at some point.