Trade value

Discussion in 'New Jersey Devils' started by MichaelJ, Oct 29, 2013.

View Users: View Users
  1. MichaelJ

    MichaelJ Registered User

    Joined:
    May 20, 2013
    Messages:
    6,654
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    71
    I know it's early and there's a lot of hockey to play. If the Devils have turned the corner and keep this up, I'd love to see them get into the playoffs and we all know that anything can happen from there.

    But, if the Devils find themselves on the outside looking in and make the decision to sell some pieces, how much (assuming he keeps this up) do you think Jagr can bring back? I know he was traded for young players and a conditional pick last year. Do you think he'll be worth the same this year? Would it help if a team wanted to do 'one-stop-shopping' with the Devils and pick up a veteran scorer in Jagr as well as a top-4 Dman (Fayne) to sweeten the return? Say....Jagr and Fayne to a team for a #1 pick and an A-level (top 100) prospect?
     
  2. SeidoN

    SeidoN #HFOutcasts

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2012
    Messages:
    28,108
    Likes Received:
    3,042
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Occupation:
    Roaster
    Location:
    SCO
    too early to tell. if Jagr keeps a PPG-ish pace, more than if he doesnt
     
  3. devilsblood

    devilsblood Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2010
    Messages:
    14,927
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Trophy Points:
    139
    I fully expect the team to be in the playoffs. But if not, I guess it is good to know we can get something back for a guy like Jagr, or Ryder, or Zid's.
     
  4. sunnyvale

    sunnyvale Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2013
    Messages:
    327
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    46
    Location:
    NJ
    I don't think anyone we are willing to give up is worth a first, but we can end up with a hell of alot of 2nd rounders.
     
  5. With the way we've been drafting in the 2nd round, I'd be more then happy if we happen to get two or three 2nd round picks instead of a one 1st round pick.

    I'm being entirely serious here.
     
  6. Feed Me A Stray Cat

    Feed Me A Stray Cat Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2005
    Messages:
    14,847
    Likes Received:
    144
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    It depends where the first round pick ends up. If its in the teens, you take the 1st every time.

    The Devils' scouts don't have some magical skill that appears in the 2nd round and dissipates thereafter.
     
  7. You don't say. I was under the impression that Conte and his staff had a crystal on their table and had first dibs as soon as the 2nd round would kick in.

    All I'm saying is that I'd rather stock pile 2nd round picks, cause that's probably what we'll be getting for our pending UFA's anyways, instead of a single pick in the 1st round that will probably be in the mid 20's.
     
  8. Aethon

    Aethon 12 Axes

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2003
    Messages:
    44,017
    Likes Received:
    3,899
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    Home Page:
    Playoffs shouldn't be a determining factor at the deadline in my opinion (Not this year anyway). This team needs assets and futures badly. More than ever before in my opinion.

    Just looking up and down the roster you can see more than 50% of the players most likely wont be here in two years. This team needs a 3 or 4 year plan of restocking.
     
  9. And that's why I'd rather stock up on 2nd rounders instead of a single pick in the 1st round. Add the fact that we have a surplus of forwards and blueliners, meaning that we can dump a couple of players like the Sharks did last year and still keep a "competitive" team.
     
  10. Feed Me A Stray Cat

    Feed Me A Stray Cat Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2005
    Messages:
    14,847
    Likes Received:
    144
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/4/4/2082829/nhl-draft-pick-value-first-round

    This chart is interesting.

    Basically, if you can get a first in the mid to lower teens, it's worth more than every other pick in the draft combined.

    Two picks in the 26-50 range is worth approximately one pick in the 14-25. Based on that, three 2nds would be preferable to one first, however I'd take one first over two 2nds.
     
  11. Judging on our past selections, your stats don't mean anything.
     
  12. New Jersey Devils

    New Jersey Devils Doc & Chico Forever

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2007
    Messages:
    11,278
    Likes Received:
    413
    Trophy Points:
    154
    Location:
    NJ-NYC
    If we can net an early 2nd round pick, I think we'll be able to pick up a 1st round talent guy ala Merrill.
     
  13. Feed Me A Stray Cat

    Feed Me A Stray Cat Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2005
    Messages:
    14,847
    Likes Received:
    144
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    What past selections are you referring to? Because if we go back a bit we had some picks in 03 and 04 in the mid to late first round that looked pretty good.

    And if I recall we absolutely bombed in the 2nd rounds from 2001-2007.

    We have many of the same scouts we did back then.

    Did those scouts suddenly gain, then lose, then re-acquire skill in drafting in the 2nd round, while losing their first round drafting skill?
     
  14. MichaelJ

    MichaelJ Registered User

    Joined:
    May 20, 2013
    Messages:
    6,654
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    71
    What about prospects too? I'd take lower picks and prospects for some of our rentals. That way, it could be a quicker reboot, either by icing the young talent coming back or going into the offseason with assets to trade.
     
  15. funetiklee

    funetiklee Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2009
    Messages:
    85
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    in fact, our 10 2nd round draft picks prior to Gelinas have played a total of 68 NHL games.
    While it's nice our farm system is stocked with some solid looking 2nd rounders they are still nothing more than prospects.
     
  16. MichaelJ

    MichaelJ Registered User

    Joined:
    May 20, 2013
    Messages:
    6,654
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    71
    Trade value: Volchenkov

    On the Trade Rumors board, there's a thread: Other: Every team's ''needs and overstock'' thread

    http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1526721

    AfroThunder posted:



    Need:
    Picks
    Forward prospects

    Have:
    Stay at home defensemen
    Defensive prospects
    Veterans (all positions)
    Depth forwards

    For Detroit, a Wings fan posted:

    Needs:
    Offensive Dman
    Defensive Dman
    To dump excess glutton of worthless forwards

    Overstock:
    Excess glutton of worthless forwards
    (Samuelsson, Eaves, Tootoo, Cleary, and dman Quincey)


    -------

    I proposed:

    To DET: Volchenkov

    To NJ: Eaves, Cleary, 2014 #2

    The Wings fan said he would make that deal in a heartbeat.

    What do you guys think? Eaves and Cleary come off the books after this year, it clears the logjam at D, and we move the last two years of Volchenkov's deal for a 2nd Rd pick while picking up $1.3M in capspace at the same time.
     
  17. Status Quo*

    Status Quo* Guest

    The trade value of Volch is a bag of hockey pucks and a half eaten bag of stale cheetos.
     
    Last edited by moderator : Oct 31, 2013
  18. Zajacs Bowl Cut

    Zajacs Bowl Cut Nova Nation

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2005
    Messages:
    54,202
    Likes Received:
    5,559
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    PA/NJ
    Eaves, Cleary, AND a 2nd? hahahahaha

    good luck with that.
     
  19. Emperoreddy

    Emperoreddy Show me what you got

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    84,789
    Likes Received:
    11,127
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Location:
    New Jersey, Exit 16E
    You crazy? The bag of pucks makes this a lopsided trade in our favor.
     
  20. Devils Dominion

    Devils Dominion No hay caballos

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,555
    Likes Received:
    2,715
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    NJ
    Volch back to Ottawa for a 2014 4th round pick and a 2015 3rd round pick.
     
  21. Jersey Fresh

    Jersey Fresh Video Et Taceo

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2004
    Messages:
    14,557
    Likes Received:
    1,086
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Location:
    T.A.
    A sample spoon of mint chocolate chip ice cream from Baskin Robbins and not a penny less.
     
  22. MichaelJ

    MichaelJ Registered User

    Joined:
    May 20, 2013
    Messages:
    6,654
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    71
    Hey, he accepted. Seemed to be looking to dump Eaves and Cleary for anything on the D side.
     
  23. MichaelJ

    MichaelJ Registered User

    Joined:
    May 20, 2013
    Messages:
    6,654
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    71
    Fine by me
     
  24. Devils Trap

    Devils Trap Cory's Better

    Joined:
    May 6, 2009
    Messages:
    27,400
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    96
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Yea the problem is we couldnt make that move nor do we want to. Cleary an Eaves are as much dumps are Volch is
     
  25. Zajacs Bowl Cut

    Zajacs Bowl Cut Nova Nation

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2005
    Messages:
    54,202
    Likes Received:
    5,559
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    PA/NJ
    I would make that Detroit trade in a heartbeat. no care about forwards we get back, just waive them
     

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"