Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXVIII

[HSF]

Bertuzzi to Ottawa?

would be awesome but i suspect its a zadina or rasmussen type deal

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

Bertuzzi to Ottawa?

Bertuzzi - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - C. Brown
Formenton - Pinto - White
Kelly - Paul - Watson

I dig it.

 

[edguy]

would be awesome but i suspect its a zadina or rasmussen type deal

I could 100% see a Rasmussen for Brannstrom deal. Doirion loves a big center and we dont really have one right now

 

[GCK]

There are posters on these boards that will argue that Paul is no better than a 4th liner but will pencil Andrei Kuzmenko into the top 6 before he's ever played an NHL game.

Where you "slot" players in a Excel spreadsheet isn't what matters. The minutes, and situations, they play in are what matters.

Nick Paul averaged the 5th most ice time out of all our forwards last year. This year, he's #6.

He's not in any way a 4th liner.

Completely agree on Kuzmenko.

 

[GCK]

would be awesome but i suspect its a zadina or rasmussen type deal

Curious how much we would need to add for Zadina.

 

[senswon]

Mete for Zadina?
Would we need to add?

 

[Boud]

Mete for Zadina?
Would we need to add?

You mean Brannstrom?

 

[senswon]

You mean Brannstrom?

The way they were talking last night it sounded like we wanna keep him

 

[Loach]

I think we need to stop evaluating our players against our players. It's messing up the perspective. We have many bad players still and zero depth. Maybe look at other teams construction and salary hierarchy. If we stay the course we might not make the playoffs for the next two years. Putting a lot of faith in home grown rookies fixing all the teams problems. The last two summers/trade deadline was the opportunity to quietly add quality players to forward and defence to support all the rookies. This year Dorion announces that's what he is going to do, possibly raising prices for himself. Things are starting to look very difficult for this club. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Sweatred]

Mete for Zadina?
Would we need to add?

Yes. Mete is waiver fodder.

 

[SantosHalper]

I could 100% see a Rasmussen for Brannstrom deal. Doirion loves a big center and we dont really have one right now

But Yzerman doesn't like small d-men, you can forget about trading Brannstrom or Mete to Detroit.

Every defenseman acquired by Yzerman in Tampa & Detroit.
Oleg Sosunov 205 cm / 6'9"
Andrej Sustr 201 cm / 6'7"
Keith Aulie 198 cm / 6'6"
Braydon Coburn 196 cm / 6'5"
Eric Brewer 193 cm / 6'4"
Cal Foote 193 cm / 6'4"
Niklaus Perbix 193 cm / 6'4"
Pavel Kubina 193 cm / 6'4"
Mike Commodore 193 cm / 6'4"
Brendan Mikkelson 191 cm / 6'3"
Sami Salo 191 cm / 6'3"
Jake Dotchin 191 cm / 6'3"
Dylan Blujus 191 cm / 6'3"
Brian Lee 190 cm / 6'3"
Mikhail Sergachyov 190 cm / 6'3"
Dmitri Korobov 189 cm / 6'2"
Randy Jones 188 cm / 6'2"
Mathieu Roy 188 cm / 6'2"
J.P. Cote 188 cm / 6'2"
Slater Koekkoek 188 cm / 6'2"
Brock Baukeboom 188 cm / 6'2"
Geoff Schemitsch 188 cm / 6'2"
Dominik Masin 188 cm / 6'2"
John Macleod 188 cm / 6'2"
Matt Spencer 188 cm / 6'2"
Dmitri Semykin 188 cm / 6'2"
Alex Green 188 cm / 6'2"
Libor Hajek 187 cm / 6'2"
Bruno Gervais 185 cm / 6'1"
Matt Gilroy 185 cm / 6'1"
Michael Kostka 185 cm / 6'1"
Jason Garrison 185 cm / 6'1"
Dan Girardi 185 cm / 6'1"
Ryan McDonagh 185 cm / 6'1"
Teigan Zahn 185 cm / 6'1"
Ben Thomas 185 cm / 6'1"
Radim Salda 185 cm / 6'1"
Brett Clarke 183 cm / 6'0"
Mike Vernace 183 cm / 6'0"
Evan Oberg 183 cm / 6'0"
Matt Carle 183 cm / 6'0"
Radko Gudas 183 cm / 6'0"
Nikita Nesterov 181 cm / 5'11" (119 regular season games, 26 playoff games before getting traded)
Anton Strålman 180 cm / 5'11"
Adam Janosik 180 cm / 5'11" (3rd round pick, never signed)
Tony DeAngelo 180 cm / 5'11" (1st round pick, traded 2 years later)
Ryan Zuhlsdorf 180 cm / 5'11" (5th round pick, never signed)
Matt Taormina 178 cm / 5'10" (AHL depth)
Marc-Andre Bergeron 175 cm / 5'9" (78 regular season games, 14 playoff games in 2,5 years before getting traded)

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[SantosHalper]

But Yzerman doesn't like small d-men, you can forget about trading Brannstrom or Mete to Detroit.

Every defenseman acquired by Yzerman in Tampa & Detroit.
Oleg Sosunov 205 cm / 6'9"
Andrej Sustr 201 cm / 6'7"
Keith Aulie 198 cm / 6'6"
Braydon Coburn 196 cm / 6'5"
Eric Brewer 193 cm / 6'4"
Cal Foote 193 cm / 6'4"
Niklaus Perbix 193 cm / 6'4"
Pavel Kubina 193 cm / 6'4"
Mike Commodore 193 cm / 6'4"
Brendan Mikkelson 191 cm / 6'3"
Sami Salo 191 cm / 6'3"
Jake Dotchin 191 cm / 6'3"
Dylan Blujus 191 cm / 6'3"
Brian Lee 190 cm / 6'3"
Mikhail Sergachyov 190 cm / 6'3"
Dmitri Korobov 189 cm / 6'2"
Randy Jones 188 cm / 6'2"
Mathieu Roy 188 cm / 6'2"
J.P. Cote 188 cm / 6'2"
Slater Koekkoek 188 cm / 6'2"
Brock Baukeboom 188 cm / 6'2"
Geoff Schemitsch 188 cm / 6'2"
Dominik Masin 188 cm / 6'2"
John Macleod 188 cm / 6'2"
Matt Spencer 188 cm / 6'2"
Dmitri Semykin 188 cm / 6'2"
Alex Green 188 cm / 6'2"
Libor Hajek 187 cm / 6'2"
Bruno Gervais 185 cm / 6'1"
Matt Gilroy 185 cm / 6'1"
Michael Kostka 185 cm / 6'1"
Jason Garrison 185 cm / 6'1"
Dan Girardi 185 cm / 6'1"
Ryan McDonagh 185 cm / 6'1"
Teigan Zahn 185 cm / 6'1"
Ben Thomas 185 cm / 6'1"
Radim Salda 185 cm / 6'1"
Brett Clarke 183 cm / 6'0"
Mike Vernace 183 cm / 6'0"
Evan Oberg 183 cm / 6'0"
Matt Carle 183 cm / 6'0"
Radko Gudas 183 cm / 6'0"
Nikita Nesterov 181 cm / 5'11" (119 regular season games, 26 playoff games before getting traded)
Anton Strålman 180 cm / 5'11"
Adam Janosik 180 cm / 5'11" (3rd round pick, never signed)
Tony DeAngelo 180 cm / 5'11" (1st round pick, traded 2 years later)
Ryan Zuhlsdorf 180 cm / 5'11" (5th round pick, never signed)
Matt Taormina 178 cm / 5'10" (AHL depth)
Marc-Andre Bergeron 175 cm / 5'9" (78 regular season games, 14 playoff games in 2,5 years before getting traded)

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Kyle Wood 200 cm / 6'7"
Simon Edvinsson 198 cm / 6'6"
Antti Tuomisto 195 cm / 6'5"
Moritz Seider 193 cm / 6'4"
William Wallinder 193 cm / 6'4"
Marc Staal 193 cm / 6'4"
Patrik Nemeth 192 cm / 6'4"
Shai Buium 191 cm / 6'3"
Jon Merrill 191 cm / 6'3"
Dan Renouf 191 cm / 6'3"
Wyatt Newpower 191 cm / 6'3"
Oliwer Kaski 190 cm / 6'3"
Gustav Berglund 189 cm / 6'2"
Alex Cotton 188 cm / 6'2"
Luke Witkowski 188 cm / 6'2"
Donovan Sebrango 185 cm / 6'1"
Cooper Moore 185 cm / 6'1"
Cody Goloubef 185 cm / 6'1"
Oscar Plandowski 183 cm / 6'0"
Eemil Viro 183 cm / 6'0"
Kyle Aucoin 183 cm / 6'0"
Albert Johansson 183 cm / 6'0"
Nick Leddy 183 cm / 6'0"
Jordan Oesterle 183 cm / 6'0"
Christian Djoos 181 cm / 5'11" (warm body)
Alex Biega 178 cm / 5'10" (extra D)
Troy Stecher 178 cm / 5'10" (bottom pair d-man during the 1st season, extra D during 2nd season)

 

[Bevans]

IF Paul doesn't resign, then NYR seems like a no-brainer landing spot for him.

 

[Sweatred]

IF Paul doesn't resign, then NYR seems like a no-brainer landing spot for him.

Paul plus what for Othman or Kakko ?

 

[ATdaisuki]

I'm struggling to see where the "Paul is a 4th liner" narrative has sprung from. He is clearly a third liner in my eyes and has contract comparables in Lowry and Goodrow. 2.5 isn't an overpayment, it's a really good deal for us.

 

[GCK]

Paul plus what for Othman or Kakko ?

Paul + Tampa 2nd for Karvtsov

 

[SensFactor]

Paul probably genuinely loves Ottawa but the NHL is a business and I don't think Ottawa is going to pay him what he wants. Especially not when we have so many other guys to sign (Norris, Forenton, Pinto in a year, etc)

 

[Bileur]

Bertuzzi to Ottawa?

Unvaccinated would be problematic in Canada no?

 

[Bileur]

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Kyle Wood 200 cm / 6'7"
Simon Edvinsson 198 cm / 6'6"
Antti Tuomisto 195 cm / 6'5"
Moritz Seider 193 cm / 6'4"
William Wallinder 193 cm / 6'4"
Marc Staal 193 cm / 6'4"
Patrik Nemeth 192 cm / 6'4"
Shai Buium 191 cm / 6'3"
Jon Merrill 191 cm / 6'3"
Dan Renouf 191 cm / 6'3"
Wyatt Newpower 191 cm / 6'3"
Oliwer Kaski 190 cm / 6'3"
Gustav Berglund 189 cm / 6'2"
Alex Cotton 188 cm / 6'2"
Luke Witkowski 188 cm / 6'2"
Donovan Sebrango 185 cm / 6'1"
Cooper Moore 185 cm / 6'1"
Cody Goloubef 185 cm / 6'1"
Oscar Plandowski 183 cm / 6'0"
Eemil Viro 183 cm / 6'0"
Kyle Aucoin 183 cm / 6'0"
Albert Johansson 183 cm / 6'0"
Nick Leddy 183 cm / 6'0"
Jordan Oesterle 183 cm / 6'0"
Christian Djoos 181 cm / 5'11" (warm body)
Alex Biega 178 cm / 5'10" (extra D)
Troy Stecher 178 cm / 5'10" (bottom pair d-man during the 1st season, extra D during 2nd season)

 

[GCK]

Paul probably genuinely loves Ottawa but the NHL is a business and I don't think Ottawa is going to pay him what he wants. Especially not when we have so many other guys to sign (Norris, Forenton, Pinto in a year, etc)

This may come down to Ottawa giving a final offer of something like 2.5M x 4 years and if that doesn't get it done they could mutually decide to trade him and let him see what he can get in UFA while Ottawa agrees to leave that offer on the table through the first couple weeks of FA period.

 

[HSF]

But Yzerman doesn't like small d-men, you can forget about trading Brannstrom or Mete to Detroit.

Every defenseman acquired by Yzerman in Tampa & Detroit.
Oleg Sosunov 205 cm / 6'9"
Andrej Sustr 201 cm / 6'7"
Keith Aulie 198 cm / 6'6"
Braydon Coburn 196 cm / 6'5"
Eric Brewer 193 cm / 6'4"
Cal Foote 193 cm / 6'4"
Niklaus Perbix 193 cm / 6'4"
Pavel Kubina 193 cm / 6'4"
Mike Commodore 193 cm / 6'4"
Brendan Mikkelson 191 cm / 6'3"
Sami Salo 191 cm / 6'3"
Jake Dotchin 191 cm / 6'3"
Dylan Blujus 191 cm / 6'3"
Brian Lee 190 cm / 6'3"
Mikhail Sergachyov 190 cm / 6'3"
Dmitri Korobov 189 cm / 6'2"
Randy Jones 188 cm / 6'2"
Mathieu Roy 188 cm / 6'2"
J.P. Cote 188 cm / 6'2"
Slater Koekkoek 188 cm / 6'2"
Brock Baukeboom 188 cm / 6'2"
Geoff Schemitsch 188 cm / 6'2"
Dominik Masin 188 cm / 6'2"
John Macleod 188 cm / 6'2"
Matt Spencer 188 cm / 6'2"
Dmitri Semykin 188 cm / 6'2"
Alex Green 188 cm / 6'2"
Libor Hajek 187 cm / 6'2"
Bruno Gervais 185 cm / 6'1"
Matt Gilroy 185 cm / 6'1"
Michael Kostka 185 cm / 6'1"
Jason Garrison 185 cm / 6'1"
Dan Girardi 185 cm / 6'1"
Ryan McDonagh 185 cm / 6'1"
Teigan Zahn 185 cm / 6'1"
Ben Thomas 185 cm / 6'1"
Radim Salda 185 cm / 6'1"
Brett Clarke 183 cm / 6'0"
Mike Vernace 183 cm / 6'0"
Evan Oberg 183 cm / 6'0"
Matt Carle 183 cm / 6'0"
Radko Gudas 183 cm / 6'0"
Nikita Nesterov 181 cm / 5'11" (119 regular season games, 26 playoff games before getting traded)
Anton Strålman 180 cm / 5'11"
Adam Janosik 180 cm / 5'11" (3rd round pick, never signed)
Tony DeAngelo 180 cm / 5'11" (1st round pick, traded 2 years later)
Ryan Zuhlsdorf 180 cm / 5'11" (5th round pick, never signed)
Matt Taormina 178 cm / 5'10" (AHL depth)
Marc-Andre Bergeron 175 cm / 5'9" (78 regular season games, 14 playoff games in 2,5 years before getting traded)

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or is this cause most defensemen have size?

 

[HSF]

Unvaccinated would be problematic in Canada no?

no more vaccine passports now it seems

maybe border crossing is more difficult

 

[SantosHalper]

or is this cause most defensemen have size?

There are more bigger d-men than small d-men, but small d-men are not rare. Yzerman builded a massive defense in Tampa and he is doing the same Detroit, small d-men are warm bodies and AHL depth pieces in Yzerplan.

Yzerman himself was a smallish forward and he played lengthy playoff series against guys like Pronger, Stevens, Foote, Daneyko etc.. and through his own experience he knows just how hard is to play against guys like that. Doesn't matter if you are big or small forward, you're in trouble with big d-men. That is the reason why Yzerman doesn't sign, draft or trade small d-men imo.

So far Stralman has been only d-man under 6'0'' who has had a top-4 role in Yzerman's team.

 

[SantosHalper]

No. No im not my friend, Red Wings have enough warm bodies and AHL depth pieces.

 

[HSF]

There are more bigger d-men than small d-men, but small d-men are not rare. Yzerman builded a massive defense in Tampa and he is doing the same Detroit, small d-men are warm bodies and AHL depth pieces in Yzerplan.

Yzerman himself was a smallish forward and he played lengthy playoff series against guys like Pronger, Stevens, Foote, Daneyko etc.. and through his own experience he knows just how hard is to play against guys like that. Doesn't matter if you are big or small forward, you're in trouble with big d-men. That is the reason why Yzerman doesn't sign, draft or trade small d-men imo.

So far Stralman has been only d-man under 6'0'' who has had a top-4 role in Yzerman's team.

I think its more complex than that though. If Zadina value around the league is say a 2nd rounder and Ottawa is willing to swap brannstrom for him then Yzerman might prefer that option as you get someone who can play now and you can see his potential instantly. Additionally you would def prefer to have big mobile defensemen like say Chychrun but that price for them is sky high so that might not be an option.

Would Zadina be able to get a Chyrchrun back without a significant add? probably no chance
it really is hard to say without knowing what the value of the two players are league wide aswell as what other moves they have planned