It's less about that and more about having guys that can play the big, difficult minutes while the kids get their feet wet. We have the same problem now with no one on the back end who can give Nurse shelter from the storm and IMO, we're starting to wreck him as a result.
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It's less about that and more about having guys that can play the big, difficult minutes while the kids get their feet wet. We have the same problem now with no one on the back end who can give Nurse shelter from the storm and IMO, we're starting to wreck him as a result.
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Horcoff/Moreau had to much entitlement - that's common knowledge. They also never kept guys in line. Moreau was absolutely the worst captain if not the worst, next to Corson. To much division at that time.
If you contrast Jason Smith he's much like Giordano in Calgary. I just think teams need guys who are blue collared in terms of work ethic and character. Whether there given letters or not - on any team there your true leaders. It's almost the spirit of guys like Weight/Smith where you have people who are more than hockey players there regular guys who relate to people. Pronger has only what you can define as spirit and energy that you change the chemistry when you come into the locker room. Those guys are very few and far between.
I have met Doug Weight/Jason Smith. I would go as far as saying Weight is probably one of the best people you ever can meet in life (i'd go that far) even Jim Matheson has went that far in the reverence and respect. Best Captain ever as well.
Certain guys worked for certain types of hockey teams. I say better than Messier or Gretzky they got grandfathered in with some great guys before them and they had talent around them. You can see Messier in Vancouver in how you need the right pieces around them.
The Oilers at this time need a Weight/Smith where it's about hockey and not about local celebrities or guys who have cashed in and don't care anymore - see Horcoff/Moreau. Those latter two were way past any desire/passion/talent and maybe they gave there best but what came across was blame, entitlement, and in many respects the idea/notion it wasn't there fault.
It's hard to build a team the way they Oilers are right now because your looking for leadership by committee. Besides Hall to an extent - I can't imagine playing for another team (exception of Hall hes' actually proved himself) and seeing an A on Eberle or RNH.
People compare them in some aspects to being like a Crosby or Toews. I'm sorry I've seen the these guys in public and besides Hall they don't look like the physiques of what you would call hockey players.
Hall/Eberle/RNH have been so babying and given the keys to the organization that from the outside is probably laughable to other teams.
Could you imagine any high Oiler pick getting the Drouin treatment right now. We would rip on management for keeping the guy in the minors. I wish management had more of that. At least he plays in a place and has a management that preaches accountability and will say this is what you have to work at getting better, and will be very straight forward.
I've said it many times that fans will get to a point and accept that it's about building from the ground up, and not the top down. You can draft top picks every year, but as one great coach (unfortunately was basketball) said we have enough high picks we need guys who just know how to play.
If all the Oilers ever do is every year can get Mcdavid to inflate the value of who he's every playing with and you trade him for a late round pick or 2nd round pick. Your going to have to start out with some process of saying we're going to draft d-man after d-man till we get it right.
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This is the second reply.
It's unfortunate that Oiler's had one identity and were switching to another one. Horcoff/Moreau work/worked on any team that is less about puck possession - but will grind you down.
It's why I am always leary about any team that comes from Ken Hitchock/Lemaire system because they play well without the puck. They make great penalty killers and guys who will forecheck hard, but in terms of offense you don't know what players are like outside of that system.
I wouldn't say Horc/Moreau were bad hockey players. One (Horcoff) was meant to be a guy who is going to anchor a first line. He's not that, Moreau was a energy guy who is a grinder. Simple as that.
Even now the Oilers identity is not straight forward. On many nights there grinders are better than there star players. At this point i would say you need those guys to play a bigger part, because of injuries always relying on your top guys to score is unreliable and unrealistic.
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If Nuge is traded should Edm try and take a run at Backes? Big, mean dirty C. Could be good for the future BOA's.
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He's making $4.5M now which means we're talking at least $5.5M to $6M for a 31 year old 3C for long term.
In other words: NOPE.
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He already declined Blues' offer (3y, 5.5M per). He wants too much.
I'd love to get Shattenkirk and Sobotka from St. Louis though.
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Backes will get a Kesler type contract.
Too long and too much. He'd be a great asset to have, but terrible for 3rd line value which is what he probably would play.
Too long and too much. He'd be a great asset to have, but terrible for 3rd line value which is what he probably would play.
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During his segment on 1260 this mornin Bobby Mac made it sound like the Jets are making it more of a priority to sign Buff than Ladd. If Ladd were to hit the open market that's the kind of guy I'd love to have playing on McDavid's left side.
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If I'm chasing after a free agent forward from the Blues, I'd rather look into Brouwer than Backes.
A lot cheaper and he'd fit in as a bottom 6'er.
It's a small move, but one after another it starts to add up: Kassian, Brouwer, Hendricks, Pakarinen, Pouliot. No longer are you looking at one guy to be a initiator on a team of non-physical guys, but rather that's the mentality of most of your forwards.
Hall-Draisaitl-Eberle
Yakupov-McDavid-Kassian
Pouliot-RNH-Brouwer
Korpikoski/Hendricks/Letestu-Pakarinen
+Kessy, Khaira, and possibly Yakimov—if he's back— as you're reserves in the minors.
A lot cheaper and he'd fit in as a bottom 6'er.
It's a small move, but one after another it starts to add up: Kassian, Brouwer, Hendricks, Pakarinen, Pouliot. No longer are you looking at one guy to be a initiator on a team of non-physical guys, but rather that's the mentality of most of your forwards.
Hall-Draisaitl-Eberle
Yakupov-McDavid-Kassian
Pouliot-RNH-Brouwer
Korpikoski/Hendricks/Letestu-Pakarinen
+Kessy, Khaira, and possibly Yakimov—if he's back— as you're reserves in the minors.
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he's gonna cost 6 mil + according to Lawless:
http://www.tsn.ca/it-s-time-for-the-jets-to-trade-ladd-1.428215
we can't afford another huge long-term contract for a winger...especially once McDavid and Drai and Nurse's contract are in need of re-upping
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Not to sure why wed tie up significant cap space in Backes or Ladd to add to an alreayd stacked and expensive top 6. Focus all resources on D. Either by trading for a vet with a higher price tag or landing a top FA
Idealistically, Kassian is able to slot into the top 6 with McDavid and be that PWF/ protector people want Ladd/ Backes to be. He wont nearly be as good, but hell be about 6M cheaper
And Ladd is going to be Kesler redux. Hes alreayd trending down in a contract year and his body has taken a beating. He has massive red flags
Idealistically, Kassian is able to slot into the top 6 with McDavid and be that PWF/ protector people want Ladd/ Backes to be. He wont nearly be as good, but hell be about 6M cheaper
And Ladd is going to be Kesler redux. Hes alreayd trending down in a contract year and his body has taken a beating. He has massive red flags
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No more money should be spent on high dollar wingers. Even ones as good as Ladd.
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You are getting back either an expensive D or a young D who needs a big raise in short future (when LD, McDavid, Nurse need them)
So money will be an issue and signing Ladd for anything over 5 mil is overpayment
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This. Chia and pro scouts shouldnt even be looking at other forwards. All effort should be spend on looking at D and trying to land 1 top pairing RHD and 1 top 4 D
To be honest I think Bouweemester is the piece that shakes loose from St. Louis.
If I'm managing St. Louis why am I letting a 26-year-old Shattenkirk walk over a 32/33-year-old Bouweemester?
Makes no sense.
And those types of moves are ones we might be able to take advantage of. There could be decent d-men like Jay Bo or Jason Garrison from Tampa that have to be moved in the summer because of cap issues and we are the team that's going to bail out one of those teams needing cap room.
If I'm managing St. Louis why am I letting a 26-year-old Shattenkirk walk over a 32/33-year-old Bouweemester?
Makes no sense.
And those types of moves are ones we might be able to take advantage of. There could be decent d-men like Jay Bo or Jason Garrison from Tampa that have to be moved in the summer because of cap issues and we are the team that's going to bail out one of those teams needing cap room.
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Well, what you'd have to look at is why Edmonton would pay anything of value for a 33 year old Bouwmeester or a 31 year old Garrison? Both of those guys have seen their production fall off a cliff. They're not difference makers anymore.
If we're moving RNH or Eberle, the sights have to be set higher.
People like to reference Columbus moving Nash for bits and pieces as some success story; to me, that's a massive cautionary tale.
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